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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Rebollos, Jul 14, 2012.
Wrong topic. Go here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=206062
Here an article on the channels from Multichannel.com:
After reading this article my fellow soccer fans, I think now's the time to hit the panic button!!
It's Aug 1, and these clowns dont even have a signal up yet and to top it all off, and some of the major carriers HAVE NOT EVEN HEARD FROM THESE GUYS...
If they're idea of "working day and night" to get carriage deals is sending out papers and waiting for the phone to ring, then we are all screwed...
I cant believe all the money these guys spent on rights and are still not ready yet to even produce a signal is mind boggling.. I did not even know they bought the rights to the Football Championship (England's 2nd division) and the Carling Cup as well...
Check out the channels facebook page and there is a lot of p*ssed off people over there wondering why spend all this money on rights and not have a system to put them on...
Another thing, with all these rights, how are they gonna accommodate all the live games of all these leagues or all they gonna go tape delay on everything!! And no sub licensing anything either!! What a mess...
I always thought the "calling your cable operator and request ____" was a big waste of time because the operators already have an idea what they are gonna carry and I always thought it was a tool for content providers to have leverage while negotiating deals.. My thing is this.. beIN should not be asking US if we are in, we should be asking THEM ARE THEY READY.. After reading this article, the answer to that question is a emphatic NO!!
they have the Championship this year? I swore I saw Fox Soccer Plus still advertising that.
It gives the carrier an idea what the demand is. If the demand is low, (in other words: how many customers would walk away if we didn't carry these channels) they probably aren't too interested in carrying the channel. If they get MANY calls that want the channel, they may be more poised to make a deal, as many customers that want it, might also mean a larger number of customers that will leave if they don't.
Personally, but that is just because of the type of sports I like, I would prefer BeIN Sports USA over carrying the PAC12 channels, but the latter will lose a lot more customers if they don't carry them, while for BeIN Sports, they probably won't. I have called DirecTV and asked about BeIN Sports actually, but I haven't (and I won't) in regards to PAC12.
They don't seem to have any carriers. The article states that they are "99% sure they have 1 carrier at launch, but the goal is 2 carriers at launch".
So who would be that 1 carrier they might make a deal with? DirecTV because of sports bars and English pubs across the nation that show footy? Well, we really don't know.... They do have "the right stuff" as far as soccer rights and coverage concerns, so they should be able to get on with someone.
But it is indeed rather concerning that they don't seem to have ANY carriers right now.
Until BeIn signs on with someone the carriers have all the leverage here right? It's not like any carrier has to worry about losing customers if it's not available anywhere. On the other hand BeIn has acquired rights to 3 of the top 5 leagues in Europe plus a host of other international soccer and has to know it's a disaster if nobody can see it. If a cable channel launches and nobody is able to see it, does it really exist?
What ever they do if they don't carry it in HD it would be a deal breaker with me.
Yeah, it really depends on how strong the love for soccer is. If MANY people call in to DirecTV and say.... hey.... can you carry BeIN, there might be more reason to carry it - before anyone else does.
This could also go VERY VERY wrong. If no carrier picks it up, they will have no choice but to give up after a year or so, and re-sell the rights back to other broadcasters. They can't hold on to expensive rights and have no carriage agreements.
If they get DirecTV as their first carrier, they will probably survive.
I think that last line is a true statement. Up to this point any soccer fan picking a carrier based solely on availability of leagues is going with DirecTV, a point that surely can't be lost on the powers that be at BeIN. DirecTV is the best way for them to have instant base of hardcore fans of the sport. I really just started following this closely in the last couple days since they started picking up some English league properties with the Carling Cup and Championship. It seems like every day they acquire rights to something else.
Well... BeIN Sports USA has the money of a rather large media organization behind it. We think of "that muslim news channel" when we think Al Jazeera, but they own sports channels in the Middle East, and in Europe. For one, BeIN Sport is on of the the main sports channel in France, and Al Jazeera owns many other sports channels.
So they have the money to back up the buying of the rights..... But without a carrier in the U.S., that might have been money spent for nothing. If DirecTV does not carry this network, it is very likely that after a year of trying, the rights are sold back to others, existing stations such as GOL and FOX. Soccer fans would lose out until they actually fold, and then the rights can probably be picked up for less money.
I'm still hoping for a success though. Again, they have the right stuff, I just don't think they really know how to operate on the American market just yet.... For DirecTV, these channels also aren't as important as say PAC12 or TWC Sportsnet Los Angeles.
What's pretty cool about this channel, is that they just got the rights to televise European handball. They claimed these rights just a few weeks ago. European handball is still not as exciting as soccer of course, but it's a nice supplemental sport to have on the network. In fact, I would still consider it one of my Top 10 favorites sports (and I love most sports).
According to this link below, they just secured these rights this summer.
The EHF Champions league (European champions league for handball) is the best handball league in the world. BeIN sports channel(s) will be televising 148 men's handball matches per each season, and 72 women's handball matches per each season, from the EHF Champions league (148+72 = total of 220 handball matches). That's a lot of handball coverage in one year.
I'm hoping that if DirecTV picks up BeIN, then hopefully the USA version of the BeIN channels will also cover handball in addition to soccer and everything else. It would seemingly be the first real channel in American television history to have coverage of European handball.
Here's the link ....
being that aljazeera sports is already on dish network they will have a better shot than directv
There is an organizational difference between "BeIN Sports" (the French sports channel) and "BeIN Sports USA" (the American sports channel). The French TV station has acquired the rights to European handball, but that does not mean the American version will have those rights as well.
Similarly, BeIN sports holds the rights to Euro 2012 and Euro 2016 soccer championships in France, while these rights are held by ESPN in the United States. The French BeIN also holds rights to several Rugby leagues (among which French and Australian), while BeIN USA does not hold these rights.
Interesting bit below in today's New York Post from their TV Sports writer, Phil Mushnick.
It's hard to believe, but who knows?
To feed its new beIN sports network, Al Jazeera has been hurling barrels of money for rights to the world’s biggest soccer leagues, and it’s eager to buy into all sports — here, there and everywhere.
In order to enter the U.S. market, Al Jazeera, an international rights specialist this week told us, is willing to pay cable operators to clear beIN. In other words, Al Jazeera doesn’t want to be paid by operators, to make room for its sports goods it’ll pay them!
“The players here for big league soccer — Fox, ESPN — are being blown away by Al Jazeera,” the specialist said. “Remember, they’re not competing against a corporation, but a government, and one with more money than it can spend.”
Al Jazeera is from Qatar.
Qatar is also the country that is organizing the WORLD CUP of 2022, and they are going to build a whole bunch of multi-billion dollar stadiums that will pretty much be white elephants after they are done with the World Cup. It is the smallest nation ever to host it, and accusations of bribes to get it are flying around. The country has 1.7 million inhabitants, and they are going to build stadiums that will hold over 540.000 people combined!! That is pretty much the highest stadium-seating-per-capita ever.
Along with the UAE (Dubai) they have SO much money, they can pretty much gold-plate the entire surface of their country. As long as we, in the western world, keep filling our cars with gasoline, they will have money coming out of their behinds.
It's actually ridiculous bordering towards the insane, what they are building/doing/coming up with there. That 1 mile tower? No real economic reason for it to be there, other than..... we have money, we don't know what to do with it, so lets build the highest building in the world!
If this is true with regards to BeIN, they should have a lot easier time getting carriers to get on board with them than they do now. Obviously, it will be a teaser..... they will eventually come up with contract terms that will make them money, after a few years of carriage.
I remember when Fox News Channel first started that Fox paid operators to carry it and that strategy worked well for the channel's growth. As for Qatar getting the 2022 World Cup, bribes are the only way to explain it. It doesn't make any sense at all and is a horrible idea. If Qatar has enough money to throw it away on ludicrous projects, maybe they could start some kind of humanitarian organization or something halfway useful.
Yeah we'll have to see how this plays out. If the channels are offered for "essentially free" to DirecTV, it might be worth carrying them, see how the ratings will evolve, and then drop them when they need to renegotiate if the channels did not live up to their expectations.
As far as the type of sports I love, I much rather see these channels than PAC12. But that is unrealistic, PAC12 is much more important to DirecTV then these channels ever will be.
If they are going to be throwing out so much money would it make sense for them to just buy two or three channels.
Interesting thought. GOL TV is not owned by a media conglomerate, but is an independent station owned by a smaller company. They could have bought out that company and re-branded the station. AND gotten all the rights GOL TV already had along with the buy out.
By the way:
http://www.beinsport.tv/ has a free stream right now of their pre-live channel until August 15th, to get an idea of the coverage. Right now playing is Espanyol vs. Montpellier from Europe.