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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Sinclair owns 21 "Fox" RSNs, part of YES and the new Marquee network. There are a few RSNs they don't own.

    The biggest impediment I see to Sinclair launching a streaming service is their contracts with DIRECTV and local cable systems. Their content is more valuable to DIRECTV and cable if customers can't get it direct from Sinclair. Selling it separate will undercut their deals with their current distributors.
     
  2. evotz

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    But who gets to decide who gets what RSNs?

    I can only speak for where I live, and I know it's not just this area.

    Here in Western KY, we're in the St. Louis Cardinals territory. Yet YoutubeTV and HuluTV don't list Fox Sports Midwest as being available in this zip code.

    Who decides what zip codes get Fox Sports Midwest?

    The Cardinals? Surely not, otherwise... they can remove their stake to this zip code as being part of their "local" area.

    Fox Sports Midwest / Sinclair? Why would they want to limit the reach of their content? The further they reach, the more eyes their advertisers reach. Now, granted, they can't show St. Louis Cardinals baseball games to those out in Los Angeles, but they could show everything but.

    TV Providers / like YoutubeTV? I know Youtube offers Fox Sports Midwest... put in a zip code for southern Illinois or Southeast Missouri and it shows up. But not in Western KY.

    Is there a law that says they can only offer 2 regional sports networks? Is the amount they paid for access to Fox Sports Midwest limited to certain zip codes?

    Why not a middle ground? Have YoutubeTV? Log into Fox Sports Go with your YoutubeTV credentials. Fox Sports Go gets to see that "hey you're in one of those stupid areas that is suppose to get Cardinals games, but Youtube was too cheap to pay for your zip code to get it... so you can buy Cardinals games for $xx.xx"

    But the greater question still remains, why isn't Fox Sports Midwest offered to everyone within the St. Louis Cardinals "local" area?

    This is just a real grind my gears topics.
     
  3. James Long

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    A good question. One would think that the RSN would negotiate their coverage area to include the combined footprint of their teams. It is a similar situation as discussed earlier with DIRECTV's RSN carriage ... teams claiming my area as local are not available on the RSNs included in Choice in my area. At least they are available in Sports Pack/Premier.

    If it were up to me FS Midwest would be carried in the entire in market footprint. It isn't up to me.
     
  4. NashGuy

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    I'm not aware of any way to access an out-of-market RSN and only get part of the programming (i.e. the non-live sports stuff). I just don't think that exists.

    For anyone wanting access to out-of-market baseball, the only (legal) option I'm aware of is MLB.TV. It gives you access to out-of-market games, live and then on-demand, regardless of which RSNs are airing the game in the two local markets. You have three options:

    Entire season subscription for all teams: $121.99
    Entire season subscription for one team: $93.99
    Monthly subscription for all teams:$24.99

    I've used the app on my Apple TV and it's very slick. But I don't think the service gives you access to content other than the actual games themselves. If you're mainly interested in an RSN's pre- and post-game talk shows, I don't think MLB.TV gives you that, although I could be wrong.
     
  5. TheRatPatrol

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    It doesn’t but it would be nice if it did.
     
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  6. evotz

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    The Sports Pack with DirecTV will. At least, that was the case a few years back when I subscribed to the Sports Pack. I'd get all of the non-live sports (don't think I got replays either... but can't really remember that) for all of the RSNs that DirecTV offered.


    That's just it.

    The market reach that teams define and the stretch that their partnered RSN reach into are two different things.

    Each team has a defined list of zip codes that they call their "home" market. Those teams partner with various regional sports networks to broadcast those games.

    The trouble is that team list of zip codes and the zip codes that get that partnered RSN from DirecTV (without the sports pack), Hulu Live TV, and Youtube TV (are there other streaming partners? Sling does not do RSNs as I'm aware) are two different things.

    Example. The zip code 42051 is in the Cardinals territory. The Cardinals are broadcast on Fox Sports Midwest. Look up that zip code on Hulu Live TV and Youtube TV, Fox Sports Midwest will not be listed. My question is why?

    Now look up another zip code - 62906 - on both Hulu Live TV and Youtube TV, this zip code is also in Cardinals territory. It lists Fox Sports Midwest on both. So I know both Youtube TV and Hulu Live TV have an agreement with Fox Sports Midwest - but yet something is preventing that agreement from stretching into KY.

    And I know this isn't the only example. Is this only a Fox Sports Midwest issue? Didn't I remember reading about people in western Iowa - Cubs territory - who were unable to get NBC Sports Chicago for Cubs games last year? Maybe that changes with Marquee. Or any other teams?

    I just really don't understand - and that's not to say there isn't a real reason for it - why if Youtube is paying Fox Sports Midwest for their content... why does Youtube care who gets Fox Sports Midwest? Why does Fox Sports Midwest care who gets to watch their content? I understand that MLB cares about who gets to watch baseball games and that's why blackouts exists (forcing out-of-market people to get either mlb.tv or Extra Innings). But you have to also understand if the zip code you live in is considered Cardinals territory, but the zip code you live in can't get Fox Sports Midwest on Youtube TV or Hulu TV or DirecTV (without the sports pack) then there's no way to get the Cardinals games.

    I guess "regional" implies that it's only available for certain regions - although, I'd argue that the nation has become more national than it was 20 or 30 years ago. You could also make the argument, regional implies that it's reporting coverage is regional. I can't go to Fox Sports Midwest and expect to see Dodger highlights.

    Like I said, this is really just a grind my gears issue for me. I'm still hoping (although I seriously doubt anything will happen for the 2020 season) for an OTT solution. Because if Youtube TV and Hulu TV aren't going to give me access to all of the Cardinal games that I should be getting since I'm in Cardinals territory... then there needs to be a better solution.
     
  7. NashGuy

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    Ah, yes, there's DTV's Sports Pack. But I didn't realize that it blacked out all the live sports. Seems weird to me that anyone would want to pay for a package of RSNs if they didn't give you access to any of the actual sports.

    Yeah, you're pretty much screwed, it seems, given that you live in that western wedge end of KY. It's like the cable TV services want to define the whole state of KY as Reds territory, so you can't get the Cardinals RSN, even though you're way closer to St. Louis than Cincinnati. (Actually, you're even closer to me here in Nashville than you are to St. Louis, although we don't have an MLB team.) Meanwhile, MLB.TV defines your zip code as being both Reds *and* Cardinals territory, so they won't give you access to either team.

    Given your town's location, I'd think that the Cards would be more popular than the Reds there. Do you have a local cable company, like Charter or Comcast? Do they carry Fox Sports Midwest? That would seem like your only hope there to watch the Cards.
     
  8. evotz

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    When I lived in one of the...um... cities here, that actually had cable. I do believe they had the Cardinals games. Now I'm not certain if it was a dedicated Fox Sports Midwest channel or if they just subbed in the Cardinals game onto a certain channel when the game was on. That was.. gosh... 20 years ago? Too long ago for me to remember and I was working a different job and didn't really watch as many baseball games back then.

    But where I live now... no, there is no cable. It's either satellite or streaming (luckily my Internet is really good). I'm getting a little tired of paying DirecTV the bookoos of money for stuff that I never watch - but it seems like it's really the only option to get Cardinals games where I live.

    Fortunately, I'm not really a Cardinals fan - I just kind of hate to miss the Cardinals/Cubs games when they play. But I just really don't know if it's worth the $30+ it will cost (difference between DirecTV + Sports Pack + mlb.tv vs. YouTube TV + mlb.tv) just to get the Cardinals games.

    I do have several relatives that are in the same boat, and many of them are Cardinals fans. So I'm looking out for their interests too. But there's just no other option.

    It's cheaper for me (as an out of market baseball fan) to get Youtube TV + mlb.tv and get "most" of my teams (Cubs) games (everything except the Cardinals games)... about $76/mo ($55 Youtube + about $21/mo for mlb.tv if you pay for the full season). For Cardinals fans here... it's going to be about $110/mo and probably more to get a DirecTV package plus the $13/mo Sports Pack.
     
  9. b4pjoe

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    Have you tried using the Fox Sports Go app and logging in with your credentials for whatever you are using, ie....YTTV, Hulu Live TV, DirecTV etc? I can watch the Cardinals with it using the app and entering my DirecTV credentials. However I get the Fox Sports Midwest channel but you might be able to get it that way.
     
  10. evotz

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    No... Fox Sports Go does not offer Fox Sports Midwest with my DirecTV credentials. I doubt Youtube or Hulu would be any different... but I'd be fine with having to go through this process if it did happen to work.
     
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  11. James Long

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    The Sports Pack helps in places where the viewer is in market for a team (in my case, the Detroit Tigers and Cincinnati Reds) that is on an RSN not carried in the base package. Yep, Choice plus a $9.99 RSN fee doesn't deliver all teams claiming my area as "in market".

    There are also other sports on the RSNs that are not blacked out - and if you are a fan of a distant team you can see their pregame, postgame and other recap shows that are not available via the league pass packages.
     
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  12. evotz

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    So you don't have a way to get all baseball games either? Aside from DirecTV + Sports Pack + Extra Innings/mlb.tv (if you care about any out of market teams)? And aside from any possible cable package.

    I've just always kind of wondered if the Sports Pack isn't just a way for DirecTV to stick it to the customer. I mean... does any of the price we pay for the Sports Pack actually go towards the carriage fee for these extra RSNs? Or is it just DirecTV saying "well... we could give everybody all of the RSNs since we've paid for them anyway... but if we make a separate Sports Pack addon package, maybe we'll find some idiots willing to pay us even more money." And then some nerd with ambitions for rising up the ladder shouts out "OH! Let's just not give everyone the RSNs they need to get full coverage for all of the teams they should be getting and that will give them an incentive to buy this superfluous Sports Pack and give us more money!"
     
  13. b4pjoe

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    Have you tried that in season. Your DirecTV credentials may not work until the season begins, Also you can try it at the Fox Sports Midwest website. Again it may have to be in season to work. You can watch the Cardinals with MLB-TV though right?
     
  14. evotz

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    Yep!

    Nope. Cardinals are in territory for me (and in fact the closest MLB team to me). So MLB.tv and Extra Innings for those games is out.

    The only way that I'm really aware of that allows me to watch the Cardinals game (with no cable TV options) is DirecTV with Choice + Sports Pack. Which... I believe is close to $120/mo for me.

    Starting to understand my frustration (and the frustration of my relatives... really my relatives are more frustrated than I am) now?
     
  15. James Long

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    In general. carriers pay the channels for every customer who receives the channel. A customer who chooses not to subscribe to Sports Pack is a customer that DIRECTV does not need to pay the channel for carriage.
     
  16. b4pjoe

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    OK I think I see now. You do get the game on Fox Sports Midwest but you have to DirecTV with Choice + Sports Pack. I assume you just get the games and not other content from Fox Sports Midwest or do you get Fox Sports Midwest all the time with Choice + Sports Pack.
     
  17. James Long

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    Sports Pack is the entire channel content except any blacked out sports.
     
  18. evotz

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    When I had the Sports Pack - I got Fox Sports Midwest all the time. I got all the RSNs all the time.

    Does Youtube TV or Hulu TV have a Sports Pack addon that would function the same way as DirecTV's Sports Pack?

    It just seems to me that Youtube TV or Hulu TV or whatever streaming service would stand to gain substantial numbers if they could somehow offer all of the "in-market" games for their respective service area. Even if a Sports Pack costs $15 with Youtube TV... if it'd give me the Cardinals games on Fox Sports Midwest... $50 + $15 = $65... that's still a far cry from the the $120 I'd have to pay with DirecTV.

    Or... is that $50 that Youtube charges... is that like the $93 DirecTV Choice package... that winds up being about $118 when you add this fee, that fee, the RSN fee, and every other fee? Is that $50 Youtube package really $50 (probably plus sales tax) or is it $50 + $5 because we can fee + $7 ha! you thought that was the only fee we were going to charge fee + $9 you really thought it was going to be $50? fee.

    (Looks like I've been quoting Youtube TV as $55 when it's really $50... Hulu is $55... although I seem to recall hearing rumors that Youtube was going up to $55 too ... either way you slice it... still cheaper than DirecTV)
     
  19. b4pjoe

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    Using my zip code with YTTV this would be the sports networks I would get. Those are included in the base $50 package.

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  20. garn9173

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    I would certainly try. I just logged into Fox Sports Go using my YTTV credentials and right on the home page it has the Cardinals and Twins spring training games today at noon and Pacers and Timberwolves games tomorrow at 5pm.

    When I had what was called DirecTV Now, I had to go through the Fox Sports Go app with those log in credentials to watch the Royals as the only FS Midwest feed DirecTV Now carried was the St Louis feed.

    https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/s...louis-cardinals-games-on-fox-sports-go-040116

    If all else fails as no offense, but you're making my head hurt. https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/contact-us-091215
     

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