Beta Firmware up to 0192

Discussion in 'DIRECTV DVR with TiVo Discussion' started by frankygamer, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    I haven't heard that but I did hear of a small issue with activations that, last I heard, was resolved.

    BAMCAT AllStar

    Nov 24, 2007
    Has anyone heard any more about the new release?
  3. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    You are right ... latest 0194 and 0195 spooled from tp21 while production 018A stay at tp3.
  4. mkdtv21

    mkdtv21 Legend

    May 27, 2007
    So your saying it was not Directv's decision to remove kidzone but Tivo's? I thought I read somewhere that Tivo wanted to do so much more with the THR22 but Directv wouldn't let them.
  5. frankygamer

    frankygamer AllStar

    Jul 1, 2006
    The general consensus from people with connections with DirecTV is TiVo has control over what goes on the box. TiVo, for whatever reason, has assigned minimum man power to this box and we should blame TiVo.

    The general consensus from the TiVo crowd is why would TiVo limit it's feature set on it's own? It doesn't make sense so DirecTV must be limiting features. TiVo has no official comment which seems likely related to contractual agreements.

    In the end nobody knows who will talk on the record. My guess is DirecTV paid TiVo more of a flat fee to stay on board and extend the no litigation agreement. Less was paid for actually putting a TiVo quality DVR out and making money from monthly fees. So TiVo gets money for doing little and lets a couple of interns develop on the HR22. DirecTV gets to use the TiVo brand name to get people on the phone and switch them to HRx DVRs.

    Win-Win for the companies. Big loss for people would like/prefer TiVo and satellite.
  6. dsw2112

    dsw2112 Always Searching

    Jun 12, 2009
    I think you summed it up quite nicely here. I just don't see the THR22 as something either company can be proud of... It also begs some questions regarding why a THR22 is "snappier" than an HR21/HR22.
  7. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    I think it's obvious.
    HW is the same, system tables, a/v streams are the same, then only SW is different.

    BTW, last version of TiVo SW is 0x0195, spooled today ...
  8. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006

    I would imagine it came down more to Tivo not wanting to spend any more money on this project than necessary since it is the only box they have running on this older style platform. The question I have is, will they be allowed to create software for the hr34 hardware, since they have built a new system that is very similar for their stand alone tivo line.
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    I would bet - they will not allow. For many reasons, major is money. Who will share if it not forced ?
  10. frankygamer

    frankygamer AllStar

    Jul 1, 2006
    My opinion is the current contract gives TiVo little incentive to put out a quality TiVo product. This may not have been the original hope of the new contract but that is what it has evolved into.

    One thing I do take from the DirecTV crowd is TiVo has little man power on the project. If they don't commit the man power they will never be able to have SW running on the latest HW. But if TiVo is getting any sort of resistance from DirecTV on what TiVo wants to do, I completely understand TiVo making a business decision to do the minimum effort. Something as simple as disagreement on MRV implementation (THR22 to THR22 - streaming vs moving) could have been a showstopper to TiVo on the THR22. To make any DVR without MRV is pretty much dead product to the masses. Sure there is a small group who doesn't care but TiVo can't make a dent into the DTV DVR market without MRV.
  11. htroberts

    htroberts Cool Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    I think there's a perception on DirecTV's part that they make more money by selling their own DVR than by selling a DirecTiVo, and _that_ is why they steer customers away from TiVos, not because of problems with the TiVo.

    What pisses me off is DirecTV's dis-ingenuousness about TiVo. That and their constant insistence that they value my business while demonstrating near contempt at the value of my time.

    I doubt TiVo is a 'vendor'. There's most likely a partnership agreement somewhere that spells out what each party has to do for the other.

    Originally, DirecTV didn't know if consumers would buy a DVR, so they got someone else to fund development of a new 'technology'. TiVo happened to end up being the market leader for a while, and DirecTV happened to have a DVR product at a good time to be selling DVRs.

    Eventually DirecTV (well, Rupert Murdoch) got tired of writing checks to TiVo and built their own, but with an arguably less elegant user interface. The agreement probably says that as long as DirecTV offers TiVos, they can also roll their own DVR, and TiVo can't sue for intellectual property infringement.

    Then HD & MPEG4 came in, and TiVo's DirecTV wouldn't work any more. Of course, DirecTV could just wait until they all die in the field and say "so sorry, here's one of our _new_ DVRs," which probably would not have made them unhappy. So TiVo has a choice: build (software for) a new box that DirecTV can offer, or lose IP rights. DirecTV has a choice: offer TiVo's new box or be sued.

    Result: a Mexican standoff that neither side is happy with or very motivated to put resources into resolving.

    Of course, this is all speculation on my part.

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