Big Ten to Expand?

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Curtis0620, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Lee L

    Lee L Hall Of Fame

    Aug 15, 2002
    The only logical choice is Notre Dame. However, since their administration and fan base has not put down the crack pipe, they think they are better than everyone else and should be treated differently. However, if they keep holding out, I think they will eventually realize that time has passed them by, but it will be too late to actually do somethign about it.
  2. dpeters11

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    May 30, 2007
    It would be hilarious if Notre Dame and Cincinnati were considered, and Cincinnati chosen, just based on recent events. But then I don't really see the possibility of Cincinnati joining either.
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Notre Dame is an independent in football, but plays in the Big East for basketball... so that would be something to consider as well if they went after Notre Dame.
  4. sum_random_dork

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    Aug 21, 2008
    Notre Dame wouldn't go to the Big 10, they make way too much money from NBC, if they make the BCS they keep ALL THE MONEY, they don't have to split it among other members.within the Conf. Big time College Football is about he money, way too much money on the table for Notre Dame to stay where they are.
  5. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    That's what Notre Dame has to decide going forward.

    IF they make a BCS bowl, then they keep all the money... but how long since they made a BCS bowl? IF they were in a conference all this time, arguably they might have made more money for the school by getting a piece of the conference bowl games instead of just their own game.

    Their solo scenario only works if they are consistently good... which has been a problem for quite a while now.
  6. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    Not that long. They went to the Fiesta in the 2005 season.
  7. SamC

    SamC Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2003
    There is a serious academic side to the Big 10, different from every other conference. The Committee on Institutional Cooperation, which are the Big 10 schools plus the University of Chicago and the University of Illinois at Chicago. All members are heavy research institutions and members of the Association of American Univesities, which are the elite research colleges in North America. (Note here that there is a significant difference between ranking colleges based on research and ranking based on the undergraduate education a student receives, and nothing here is meant to put down anybody's alma mater or the education they received there.)

    The only AAU members with Div I-A football in states that adjoin current Big 10 states are Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Iowa State, Rutgers, SUNY-Buffalo and Missouri.

    Notre Dame is primarially an undergraduate institution. It is not a heavy research institution. It does not fit the Big 10 profile in that way. Further, of course, UND has it own deal with NBC, and a lapdog media that will rank in highly even if it racks up early wins against its cupcake light schedule, and it gets to play 7 or 8 home games per year. This will not happen.

    Someone mentioned Cincinnati. Cincy is a nice school, but it is not at the AAU level. Further, last year it GAVE away tickets to home games. It had a nice SINGLE YEAR. Repeat that 15 times and get back to me. Further it would be blackballed by OSU and brings nothing to the table in terms of TV anyway, as OSU and UK are the home teams in the Cincy DMA anyway.

    Pitt would be blackballed by Penn State. Further, Pitt really does not bring much to the table in terms of fans, since Penn State (and UND) are already more popular in the Pittsburgh DMA than Pitt is, and the school is unfollowed in the rest of the state.

    Iowa State is happy in the Big 12, and bring nothing to the table in terms of TV.

    SUNY-B, which competes in sports as Buffalo, is laughable relative to sports, of course.

    Rutgers does not equal NYC. Rutgers does not even equal New Jersey, in terms of TV. It is years and years from where it needs to be. The northeast just does not understand college football, and never will.

    So that brings us to Missouri and Syracuse.

    Missouri is one of those states where the regional parts are more like the states they border than one another. Western and southern looking people in Missouri are happy in the Big 12, northern and eastern people would be happier in the Big 10. But is the 10 really a move up from the 12? And, because it is a two-state DMA, the Big 10 already has a presence in the St. Louis DMA due to the Illinois suburbs.

    Syracuse draws crowds of several dozen. It has fallen so far it cannot get up. It tried to move up to the ACC back in the great ACC Move-Up and got out politiced. It despiratly wants out of the "Big" East. But as a private school, it may not have the money. And the "Big" East members signed up for these "poison pill" exit fees when the great ACC Move-Up happened.

    But my money is on either Syracuse, or, and here is the wildcard.

    The University of Toronto Varsity Blues. Why not? College sports in Canada are not like the USA. More like Division III, without scholarships and just a few students at games. But UT is an AAU members, Toronto is the 5th largest metro area on the continent, and the team, like the Blue Jays, would be followed nationwide. UT has the money, it is one of the richest schools in the world. It has the Rodger Centre (Skydome) sitting available, and Canada is getting more intergrated into US sports, with the NBA in Toronto, the NFL in Toronto, and such. Toss money at it, recruit the country, New York and New England, and there you go.
  8. Lee L

    Lee L Hall Of Fame

    Aug 15, 2002
    SO, the Big east would have to make do with what, 35 teams for basketball, no biggie. ;)
  9. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    True... I was thinking more of already existing commitments... that it might be Notre Dame would be "stuck" in the Big East for a year or 2 with commitments they could not easily get out of... but then I guess that holds true for other teams already in a conference as well.

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