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Boollean Search "first run" only

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by kenkahn, Apr 18, 2013.

  1. kenkahn

    kenkahn Cool Member

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    When creating a Boolean Search, is there any way to specify that autorecord should only be done for "first run" episodes?
     
  2. Steve

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    Yes. After you enter the search and click AUTORECORD, you're presented with the same options as a Series Link: Show type, Keep, etc.
     
  3. kenkahn

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    I missed that.. thanks..

    Two more questions regarding restrictions I've noticed that, as far as I can tell, are undocumented.

    1) There seems to be a maximum length of the Boolean expression, and it's not that large. This makes this feature a little less iuesful than it could be.

    2) In trying to get around the maximum length limit, I tried to create a Boolean expression using AANY and TTITLE using partial words; e.g. instead of 'warehouse 13' I specified 'wareh'. This did not work; the show wasn't found. Is this a known restriction or is there some way to get around this?
     
  4. Steve

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    Ya. The limit is still 50 characters, I believe.

    There is no stemming capability, AFAIK, so partial words won't find complete words.

    What we here call "boolean search" is really an unsupported feature. If you haven't already, you might want to peruse this thread to see whatever tips and tricks we've come up with over the years: http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/124823-advanced-searchautorecord-help-discussion/
     
  5. dpeters11

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    Be glad it's 50, when the new GUI was released, it originally was shortened to 30 :)
     
  6. CCarncross

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    Be smart about which title keywords you use, and always use the shortest word you can without it being a word in lots of shows. How many movie titles that they show on SyFy have 13 in the title? Maybe a few over the course of a year, how many series? Probably none other than Warehouse 13.

    I watch several shows on SyFy, heres an example of one of mine: Using 13 for Warehouse 13 works fine. You only should use 1 good word from each show title, thats what AANY is for, but it has to be the entire word as you have found.

    AANY 13 DEFIANCE CONTINUUM TTITLE CCHANS 244, then red button, instead of all choose tv types, series, then after results choose autorecord, 1st run both or repeats, keep (your preference), start and end times....I believe my example search is 44 characters which includes spaces. I have 2 dvrs with literally every SL being a boolean search..choosing your words carefully and they work pretty flawlessly and allow you to record easily 150 uniques shows within that 50 series limit on the HR2x series, I goota believe with that logic you could get 300 shows on an HR34/44.
     
  7. kenkahn

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    Thanks for the good advice and suggestions. Even with the restrictions using Boolean expressions is still better in certain circumstances than setting a manual. For example I currently have manuals to record whole blocks of prime time lineups on certain nights. This is frustrating (to me anyway) because the results are bunched together in a single 3 hour block. Using a Boolean expression lets me record the same block of programs separated out in the list (which is especially nice if my wife and I disagree on certain shows).
     
  8. Leftcoastdave

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    Slightly off topic but perhaps someone can help me. I created a boollean search for movies as follows:

    aany movie cchans 400-599 nnot PPV


    The results came back listing dozens of movies on channels 100-199 and more. This search is way less than the 50 character limit. But the results include channels I thought were excluded.

    What did I do wrong?

    Dave
     
  9. jakovaz

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    Try 400 599 instead of 400-599.
     
  10. Leftcoastdave

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    Thanks but no joy here. I tried it without the hyphen and got the same results. The first several dozen movies were PPV on channels below 200.

    I removed the NNOT PPV because there should be zero pay channels between 400 and 599. Made no difference.

    I changed the channel range from (400 599) to (501 509) to shorten the results and search time.

    I then tried it on an HR24 and the results came back no matching shows. The last thing I did was search on only channel 501. I got a list of results in alphabetical order not chronological order despite the results reported as earliest program first.

    Perplexing to say the least.
     
  11. Eben

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    No "s" in "cchan": aany movie cchan 400 599
     
  12. inkahauts

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    Eh you are not doing it quite right. First can’t use the dash ever for channel ranges. Second CCHANS must be the last thing. Also unless you want Spanish channels you should change your channel range. And if you change it right you won’t get Ppv channels since I believe I know why you where getting them and had to do with the 400 channels and the high 500. There are actually Ppv channels in those ranges. And there are remaps of them often as well, which was likely causing most your Ppv issues. Many times things like mls league pass channels are on remaps of Ppv channels and such, and that causes weird results.

    On and you need to use movies.. not movie. Believe it or not they are quite different.

    Try...

    Movies CCHANS 501 573

    That should fix your issue.

    I do one for

    Movies premiere CCHANS 501 573

    And have great results.

    The key is to make sure your channel ranges are right in dealing with PPV if you have the word movies in your Boolean.

    And example if you where after Spanish stuff would be

    Movies nnot Ppv CCHANS 400 499.

    Do you get more than HBO?
     
  13. Leftcoastdave

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    Thanks to all who have replied. An update of my situation follows.

    1. All testing is being done on an HR24/500.

    2. I subscribe to Premiere which includes all premium movie channels not just HBO.

    3. I have not included a "dash" in my CCHAN range, that was a typo on my part.

    4. CCHAN and CCHANS return pretty much the same results.

    5. NNOT PPV does not work.

    6. Including "premiere" returns zero results regardless of channel range.

    7. Wide channel ranges such as 501 to 599 returns too many results because of the STARZ + Encore combination.

    8. Before trying Boolean I used to search every Saturday on a channel by channel basis. I search 333, 239, 242, 245, 248, 254, 256, 501, 515, 525, and 545. I place the cursor over the channel number and select info. By so doing I get a list of movies in chronological order for Saturday and Sunday. I could view more results but am only interested in what is shown on the current weekend. It is tedious but effective. I was hoping to use Boolean searches to automate the process.

    9. The biggest drawback to any of the Boolean searches I have tried is in every case the results are displayed in alphabetical order for all upcoming movies which covers future date ranges I do not want.

    9a. If I am watching a movie/program during the week and I see a promo or trailer for an upcoming movie, I do a keyword search to schedule it for recording. aka "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence" on TCM 256.

    10. I am beginning to fear that channel by channel manual search is the only option I have given the content I want.
     
  14. inkahauts

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    First, do not ever use cchan. Only use CCHANS. There is a big difference and CCHAN will not always work right. It’s been deprecated so will show varying results.

    Second, read what I said about the channel ranges, especially the higher ones. And if you go to 599 you will continue to have this issue. Premiums stop at 573. Stop your searches there.

    And just because it gives you zero results right now doesn’t mean it won’t catch and record movies that are listed as premieres. With that said, I think something else is going on for you on your machine... see my last suggestoin

    When I see a show advertised I want to record, I find it usually faster to just go to that day and time in the guide than do a search. The ffwd button on the remote will skip ahead 12 hours at a time so it’s pretty fast to skip to that day and time in the guide. But search works well too.

    I’ll have to see if Boolean has changed on my units with regards to alphabetical.

    Are you not actually setting recordings with these? Boolean work best if you set them to record and leave them alone then delete stuff latter.

    Before anything else though, you may have a guide data issue. I’d clear my guide data. Reboot your DVR and as soon as it’s back to live tv, reboot it again and then wait till the next day to mess with any of this.
     
  15. Leftcoastdave

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    First, do not ever use cchan. Only use CCHANS. Understand ..

    Second, read what I said about the channel ranges, especially the higher ones. Tested using range of 501 to 509. Same results..

    With that said, I think something else is going on for you on your machine... see my last suggestoin Rather than clearmybox + double RBR, I just repeated the test on my other HR24/500 and an HR24/200. Results identical to previous HR24/500.

    When I see a show advertised I want to record, I find it usually faster to just go to that day and time in the guide than do a search. The ffwd button on the remote will skip ahead 12 hours at a time so it’s pretty fast to skip to that day and time in the guide. But search works well too. Me too. Only use search when the advertised show is out more than 14 days.

    I’ll have to see if Boolean has changed on my units with regards to alphabetical. Alpha is a bigger problem for me than filtering results.

    Boolean work best if you set them to record and leave them alone then delete stuff latter. I do this too. In particular when a search reveals a program on multiple times per day/week.

    Before anything else though, you may have a guide data issue. I’d clear my guide data. Reboot your DVR and as soon as it’s back to live tv, reboot it again and then wait till the next day to mess with any of this.
     
  16. Eben

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    Regarding CCHAN vs. CCHANS, my bad; I was going off the Boolean guide linked in the Tips & Resources FAQ, which I now assume is out of date.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    Yeah I corrected that ages ago but not sure what happened. I almost think it reverted when the site was updated years ago.
     

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