BREAKING NEWS! Price increases coming for Dish Network!

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  1. Jan 5, 2005 #301 of 388
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    Well $7 more for Top 180 now at 49.99 vs. 42.99 Total Choice Plus is already a big difference. I don't think the subscribers with Top 180 are choosing that package for the Encore theme channels. I never watch a thing on those channels.

    The bottomline is to get channels in D* Total Choice Plus then you have to get E* Top 180 and will cost you $7 more, and depending on D* prices, $10 more after February.

    If E* is going to reshuffle the packages or add channels, then they should announce it before people start downgrading their packages or switch to Directv or cable.
     
  2. Jan 5, 2005 #302 of 388
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    I had some interest in switching to D* because of their HD offering now and in the near future, but there are some WAF problems. Two off the top of my head are no superstations or Style on D*. I have to keep the wife happy, so I'm just hoping E* decides to increase HD support in the next few months. I don't have much faith, however.
     
  3. Jan 5, 2005 #303 of 388
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    I think this should win the best line of the price increase thread...

    On another note people keep talking about a possible rate increase from DIRECTV... Do people really expect DIRECTV to raise TC+ by $10? I expect that DIRECTV will still stay lower priced.
     
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    I wonder if Directv will even raise price this season? A few of my relatives have been paying $39.99 for TC plus on promotion and their bills will be going up to $42.99 in February anyway.
     
  5. Jan 5, 2005 #305 of 388
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    I predict TC+ /locals to go to a neat $44.99. That would still be a far better value than AT120 or AT180. If I had to make a strategic suggestion for DISH(which I'm sure they will never follow) it would be to go down again. Add some channels to the AT60+ package like maybe MSNBC, BET, or TCM.
     
  6. Jan 5, 2005 #306 of 388
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    TC+locals doesn't include any sports, right? So, if I want my regional fox sports channel, I have to add the Sports Pack for around $10. Isn't that correct? There are other channels D* doesn't carry (at all) that E* does like superstations and Style TV (doesn't matter to me, but it's a deal breaker for my wife). Nobody can say one is a better deal than another. The fact is people have certain tastes and TV viewing needs, so a blanket statement doesn't work.
     
  7. Jan 5, 2005 #307 of 388
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    Oh, but it does include your Regional Sports Network. That would be FSN Southwest and the Alternate.
     
  8. Jan 5, 2005 #308 of 388
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    Ah, okay. I didn't see that listed anywhere when I was comparing packages. I am ready to jump ship purely because of dedication to HD that D* seems to have and E* does not, but I'll be damned if superstations and Style TV aren't going to keep me from it. WAF has to be kept in check, so no switching for me. :(
     
  9. Jan 5, 2005 #309 of 388
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    I never realized that D didn't have Style. I personally wouldn't watch it even with someone else's eyes. But, it is such a basic and common channel, it didn't occur to me that they wouldn't have it.

    For me, it's the Superstations and TVJapan that are the important omissions on D. But, my local Comcast has TVJapan, in addition to an nice little 2-tuner HD DVR, HD Locals, and HD sports.
     
  10. Jan 5, 2005 #310 of 388
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    Yes, one of the few advantages of Dish is the Superstation package (WPIX, KTLA, KWGN, WWOR, WSBK), SITV, and the Style Network from E!. I'm not sure why Directv has never added that one. Dish used to have a big advantage in GAC-Great American Country, but FINALLY last fall D* added it.

    Channels D* has over E* - Oxygen, TV One, PBS Kids, Daystar, ABC-HD, NBC-HD, Fox HD, Regional WB (in markets without one), more locals per DMA

    Channels E* over D* - Superstations, Nick GAS, Style, SITV, Style, Showtime Beyond, TMC Xtra, HBO Comedy, ActionMax, 5StarMax, TNT HD
     
  11. Jan 5, 2005 #311 of 388
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    I have picked AT180 over AT120 for the Encore, TMC and the extra Discovery channels, I choose E* over D* because of the availability of the Supers. I enjoy an occasional western on the Western's channel and I have watched a lot of movies on the True Stories channel, Encore, TMC and TMC extra. Just because you see no value in the Encore and TMC channels does not mean the whole world agrees, I know many who love the Western's channel or would love to get it. Also AT180 has the Outdoor channel and Fox Sports World which at D* you have to get the $12/mo sports package to get, these two channels I do not care about but many do, which makes this package worth a $7/mo premium over TC+ to many.
     
  12. Jan 5, 2005 #312 of 388
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    The D* advantage is less to many because you have to either qualify or live in an O&O market to get those network HD stations.

    Thanks for this list, BTW.
     
  13. Jan 5, 2005 #313 of 388
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    I'm glad to see some people do see the difference between Top180 and TC+. Much of this is the same old argument that has been hashed over and over again. Don't get me wrong - it is valid to compare packages. But my main gripe is when I start seeing, as I often do, the argument turn to " well yes they have the encore movies, but no one wants that or I never would watch that channel anyway" Maybe YOU don't, but many of us get alot of use watching some of those movie channels. Many of the guys where I work I know watch the Western channel and Mystery channel alot. I know they watch the Outdoor channel (I don't happen to)

    The true bottom line - your likes or dislikes aside - Top180 does give you more/and somewhat different choices than TC+. Only you can decide if the price difference is worth it. But as in this argument two years ago, a year ago, and today, Top180 and TC+ are not the same and to say they equally compare to each other is just plain wrong.

    As an aside - I don't know if either horse racing channel is on Direct, but believe it or not that is watched alot by people I know. I have no real interest, but I'm amazed that many people watch it.
     
  14. Jan 5, 2005 #314 of 388
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    D* only has TVG thats the only Horse Racing channel they have. BTW it was annouced that they have signed a carriage deal with ESPN2-HD starting tomorrow them and Adelphia cable.
     
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    Some like to get a package with the Westerns plus some other movie channels in addition to the extra extended basic channels such as the Discoveries. Some may choose this package instead of a premium movie package for varietty. You can get the Encore Thematics for $4.99 and you used to be able to get the Discovery Thematics for $4.99 as well.
     
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    For $4.99 on E*? I have never heard of that. This is why they need to do some a la carte for certain channels, and then lower the price of the overall package. Lowering Top 180's price, then making Encore Themes available for $4.99 would be nice compromise and then those who want to watch it can get it.

    Top 180 is like if the cell phone service raised my package cost but offered me so many free text messages or calling features I didn't need. Since I don't care about text messages I wouldn't want it or the price hike.
    In some cases, subs don't care about the Encore Themes or extra movie channels but yet are forced to pay for the Top 180 price just to get basic channels that Directv offers in Total Choice Plus.

    Yes, Top 180 has some additional things that TC+ does not, but it should for $7-$10 more. But from a marketing standpoint looking at basic channels, Directv is a better value being $42.99 vs. the new $52.99 AT180 price. After all on Directv for $54.99, you can get those Encore theme channels plus all the Starz! channels as well.
     
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    Do you mean 2/6 or does this mean its already on now?
     
  18. Jan 5, 2005 #318 of 388
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    espn2-hd to live on d* 1/6
     
  19. Jan 6, 2005 #319 of 388
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    Knowing that DTV will probably follow E*'s lead on the price increase, I decided to price out Comcast here in Indianapolis.

    Currently I've got TC+ with locals, a DTiVo and a 2nd receiver. My base cost, before taxes is $53, here's the comparison.

    Company / Base / 1 Prem / 2 Prem / 3 Prem / 4 Prem / 5 Prem (DTV only)
    (Prices include a DVR and 2nd digital receiver)

    DirecTV / 53 / 65 / 76 / 86 / 94 / 101
    Comcast / 81 / 97 / 108 / 113 / 120

    Comcast's pricing does not include a $25 sat buyback offer (for 16 months). I have no idea why everyone in Indy doesn't switch to sat (other than maybe HD locals and they are too lazy to put up an antenna or can't get a good signal)
     
  20. Jan 6, 2005 #320 of 388
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    The reason you have never heard of E* offering the Encore Movie Pack as it is called for $4.99/mo is because E* has never advertised it, you have to call and ask for it, it is probably E* best kept secret.

    I agree that possibly E* should offer an AT120 Plus or AT150 pack that would be priced between AT120 and AT180 to include AT180 channels mines the Encore's, TMC's and some of the extra sports channels. E* should keep the current AT180 however for those of us that like the TMC and Encore channels and for those who want the extra sports channels. This would give E* 5 basic tiers only $4 - $6 appart to allow for more customer choices without going completely to 'a la carte'.
     
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