Brrrrriiiiip, what and where

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  1. Gary*W*

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    Brrripp was REALLY bad on D* feed of WHBQ Fox 13 in Memphis last night during "Bones" and "Fringe"! All sorts of brripp,sync issues and dropouts. once I caught up to live buffer (about 1/2 way through Fringe) I switched to OTA channel and it was fine.
     
  2. bjdotson

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    My wife (she who must be obeyed) has been complaining about the almost constant pixilation and audio drops on HGTV-HD.

    I have an HR23-700
     
  3. texasbrit

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    It's good that some of the stations are now taking this seriously enough to investigate - and fix - the problems. And for a previous poster (1948GG) yes, there is apparently a correlation between the reduction in "brrrps" and the increase in audio dropouts. One poster in another forum, a TV station "insider", said that DirecTV has adjusted some of its decoders so the the Dolby Digital problem in the source signal which was causing the "brrrps" now just causes a dropout. :)
     
  4. Rich

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    Don't be to sure about that "correlation" between the BRIIPPS and the audio dropouts. I haven't heard a BRIIPP for quite a while on any of my eleven HRs and we weren't getting the audio and video dropouts before the DLB NR. I'm still getting the audio and video dropouts and have no doubt that the BRIIPPS and dropouts are not related.

    I will agree that the BRIIPPS were caused by the stations for the most part, but here in the NYC area, we don't get them much and Fox fixed them for us after the first World Series game.

    Again, there is no doubt in my mind that the dropouts were caused by the DLB NR and the BRIIPPS by the stations themselves after the digital conversion.

    From what I've heard, the next NR should fix the dropouts. But until all the Fox affiliates get their equipment fixed some folks will still get the BRIIPPS.

    Rich
     
  5. capecodsooner

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    BAD Brrps here in Boston market during the Steelers-Packers game. So often and annoying that it was unwatchable (more than 3/min) on D so I switched over to cable for the game.

    No problems with cable HD signal so MPEG2 vs 4 encoders still a problem here?????
     
  6. veryoldschool

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    Kind of sounds like it, though it could still be rooted in the MPEG-2 feed since it's more tolerant of a "bad feed".
     
  7. leprechaunshawn

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    I've seen this tread here since I joined about a month ago but never checked it out. The youtube video is something I used to get all the time with TWC but I've never seen it since I got D* about 5 weeks ago.

    If D* can fix the audio dropout problem that would take care of every problem I had when I was with TWC.
     
  8. Jan 1, 2010 #228 of 253
    texasbrit

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    Sorry to disappoint you but I have had confirmation that many of the DirecTV encoders have been adjusted to try to get rid of the "brrrps" and that instead of a "brrrp" you often will get an audio dropout. This particular situation has nothing to do with the DLB NR.
     
  9. Jan 1, 2010 #229 of 253
    Davenlr

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    Our CBS station here in Little Rock used to have an occasional brrrrrp....Now, the audio stops, the picture goes BLACK for at least 10 seconds, then it goes BRRRRRRRRP and pops back on. Like the encoder is completely rebooting....Sad. Just FWIW, this station is broadcast on VHF-HI. We have an NBC on UHF which doesnt have this problem, and our ABC and FOX are fiber linked directly to the DirecTV site (no OTA link). No idea if the VHF-HI causes the problem when a noisy car drives by the receiver site or what...
     
  10. Jan 1, 2010 #230 of 253
    Rich

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    I was getting the BRIIPPS and the A/V dropouts. In fact I was getting the BRIIPPS well before the DLB NR which caused the A/V dropouts. Haven't seen a BRIIPP since the World Series. Who gave you that confirmation? Never mind, I can well imagine.
     
  11. Jan 1, 2010 #231 of 253
    texasbrit

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    Of course you were getting the "brrrps" earlier, they are caused by the digital audio issue. In most cases the digital audio issue is still there, but because the encoders have been adjusted it now gives a dropout instead of a "brrrp". I guess someone decided that a dropout was less intrusive.
    EDIT: I should also say that if you think a new NR is going to solve this problem I think you will be disappointed. I have run every test release and with the latest CE I still get dropouts.
     
  12. Jan 1, 2010 #232 of 253
    Rich

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    Others have posted to the contrary.
     
  13. Jan 1, 2010 #233 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    But none of those "others" have got a clue.
     
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    leww37334

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    FYI my experiene is that Brrrp's are common on the local FOX station, but not anywhere else.
     
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    Rich

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    I know, but they've given me hope. And TexasBrit unwittingly chose a bad time to engage me. I'm still sick about Fred and just not in the mood to argue.

    Rich
     
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    Rich

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    No more BRIIPPS in our area. Not since the World Series. Imagine Jeter sliding into second on a close play and losing the result because of a BRIIPP. Too many Yankees fans to let that happen in the NYC area.

    Rich
     
  17. Jan 1, 2010 #237 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    We will all mourn the passing of Fred.

    My point of starting this thread was to get everyone interested in focusing on the real source and not to go down the wrong path(s).

    The DLB release may have its troubles, but this isn't it.
     
  18. Jan 1, 2010 #238 of 253
    litzdog911

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    Be glad that you're stations have solved the problem. That's great news. And it's good indication that DirecTV and Fox are finally making progress.
     
  19. Jan 2, 2010 #239 of 253
    John Carter

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    My OTA antenna gives me Fox Los Angeles and Fox San Diego. During New Year's football games Fox on Directv continual visual hiccups made it unwatchable. My wife and I tuned two of our three HDTVs to Fox LA and Fox SD at the same time, and both were PERFECT, in contrast to the hiccups on Directv. This after Directv sent a senior field tech to my house to test my equipment and signal strength (98+ "outstanding"). He said he has the same problem at his house (Directv causing hiccups on Fox football). My opinion is -- Directv's MPEG-4 "Codec" (compression decompression software in the boxes) can't handle 720p video retransmission when there is a lot of "background motion" (you know, people in the stands behind the players on the field). Directv needs a better Codec. Lucky for me, I get TWO Fox HD stations OTA, as I won't watch Fox football on Directv anymore.
     
  20. Jan 2, 2010 #240 of 253
    texasbrit

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    I know this thread is now very long but if you can read it all you will find that the reason for the Fox problems is discussed in many posts. It's nothing to do with 720p, it's usually caused by errors in the digital audio signal coming from the Fox affiliate that screw up the DirecTV MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 encoders. Some Fox stations don't have or have solved the problem, others admit they have a problem but think the encoders should be able to handle it, and others don't think they have a problem at all. Dish subscribers in some cities are reporting the same issue, by the way.
     

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