Brrrrriiiiip, what and where

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  1. Nov 2, 2009 #161 of 253
    IndyMichael

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    Why can't they fix this? Do they even know what causes it?
     
  2. Nov 2, 2009 #162 of 253
    litzdog911

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    Yes, DirecTV knows what causes it. In a nutshell it's caused by errors in the station's AC3 digital audio bit stream. Some stations seem to think that DirecTV's equipment should be able to handle (ignore) these errors, since they rarely cause problems for off-air reception. But DirecTV is trying to work with those stations to fix the problem at the root source. So the finger-pointing continues.
     
  3. Nov 3, 2009 #163 of 253
    cygnusloop

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    Sorry to cross post, just wanted to document here has well...

    BRRRIIIPPPs got so bad on KDVR FOX 31 in Denver that they were happening every 5-10 seconds during the latter part of the World Series game 5 last night. Typically a short BRRRIIIPPP followed by a complete audio dropout as my Onkyo lost DD lock. Occasionally it was bad enough that there would be a complete video dropout as well.

    OTA straight to my HDTV was not affected.
     
  4. Nov 4, 2009 #164 of 253
    CincySaint

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    Just to note that the finger-pointing continues and not everyone agrees that the stations are at fault, here's the response I got from an engineer at the local Fox station:

     
  5. Nov 4, 2009 #165 of 253
    Syzygy

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    Yeah, sure. And the check is in the mail, I never had sex with that woman, and there's nobody here in the henhouse but us chickens.
     
  6. Nov 4, 2009 #166 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    I've seen "the problem" on both ends, with my locals.
    I do "wonder" a bit why this engineer doesn't have an open communication channel with the DirecTV Broadcast Center.
    "Since when" does anybody but DirecTV & Dishnetwork transcode to MPEG-4?
     
  7. Nov 4, 2009 #167 of 253
    texasbrit

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    I think Time Warner may have started to use MPEG-4 but only for Video on Demand..
    EDIT: And I don't think Insight uses MPEG-4 at all....
     
  8. Nov 4, 2009 #168 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    Which kind of puts in doubt what the "Fox engineer" was saying/thinking.
     
  9. Nov 4, 2009 #169 of 253
    litzdog911

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    Exactly. If this was some general "MPEG4 problem", then all Fox channels would have this problem. Since it's only several it seems pretty clear to me that the problem is unique to their equipment. I believe DirecTV's information that the problem lies with those station's digital audio signal .... errors that don't affect their MPEG2 off-air broadcasts are clearly causing problems with DirecTV (and other) MPEG4 encoders.

    So the finger pointing will continue until either those broadcasters fix their AC3 audio errors, or DirecTV can modify its MPEG4 encoders to minimize the effect of those errors.
     
  10. Nov 4, 2009 #170 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    As I posted, I've seen "the problem" be on either/both ends, "but" the key is for both ends to work together to resolve it. Without this, then it's simply finger pointing and nothing gets done.
     
  11. Nov 4, 2009 #171 of 253
    cygnusloop

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    ...and my FOX affiliate continues to be nearly unwatchable at times.
     
  12. Nov 4, 2009 #172 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    When my NBC is this way, the emails go flying. Next are the calls/emails to DirecTV.
     
  13. Nov 5, 2009 #173 of 253
    litzdog911

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    This issue popped up on our local Fox station (KCPQ) and several of us pointed it out to their station engineering manager. The problem was resolved within a week. Clearly local stations CAN fix this problem if they want to.
     
  14. Nov 5, 2009 #174 of 253
    cygnusloop

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    My local affiliate is just playing dumb. Or maybe they're not playing...
    :eek2:
     
  15. Nov 5, 2009 #175 of 253
    veryoldschool

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    You can try the DirecTV calls/emails to get it logged/pushed over to the network broadcast center, and try it get it addresses from that end.
     
  16. Nov 5, 2009 #176 of 253
    bobcamp1

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    My FOX affiliate says there nothing wrong on his end. He advised me to get TWC or FIOS, as they definitely do NOT have this issue. Which I just might....
     
  17. Nov 5, 2009 #177 of 253
    hasan

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    Our Fox affiliate couldn't even keep the NFL Sunday games (OTA, no D* involved) in HD during the games.

    Worse yet, we lost HD for over an hour of the World Series last night. After observing Fox OTA for several months, I wouldn't take their word on anything. They may be right, but their track record here stinks.
     
  18. Nov 6, 2009 #178 of 253
    Dolly

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    Did the brrrrriiiiip bring the W.S. Victory to The New York Yankees :lol: Sorry I couldn't resist :blush: Anyway Congrats to The Yankees and Fox needs to get its' act together. That is the only channel I have ever heard that noise on so I'm putting the blame on Fox.
     
  19. Nov 9, 2009 #179 of 253
    bobcamp1

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    Each local market is different. My CBS station now has a video or audio glitch once a second. There is a line of data which is bad. Every second it's a different line. Happens on OTA and D*. But that is a known issue.

    The FOX affiliate wants to help, but since everything is working they don't know what's wrong.

    Why does HD still feel like it's in the early adopter stage?
     
  20. Nov 9, 2009 #180 of 253
    Camborita

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    Looks like it isn't resolved yet. The Seahawks game yesterday was absolutely unwatchable on the D* feed of KCPQ 13 Fox due to the audio brrrps, in the 2nd half they were once every minute or two. (Also had picture blackouts as I've been having for the last 2 - 3 games, but not as bad as the audio issues).

    I ended up switching to the FOX OTA SD feed from their Seattle tower (DTV ch 22-2) since I can't pick up the OTA feed from the Bremerton tower. No audio problems whatsover with OTA.

    I was watching this on my H20-100 receiver (non-DVR).

    My wife and I have also noticed this in the past when watching Fringe on FOX. We finally give up and just watch it online on the FOX website the next day.
     

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