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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Richard King, Jul 7, 2005.
rickfromthesticks isn't a Bible thumper?
BTW Jon, the WHOLE New Testament is written in Greek.
I am only surprised that the Nazis haven't been mentioned yet (oops, now they have)
Have you heard that an earnest young right winger wanted to keep judicial review out of Iraq's constitution, because he feared it would lead to abortion being allowed there?
Uh, thank you, thank you very much.
Elvis uh Rick
The Republicans always have the gays to go after...and I think they have their sites squarely in our direction. May not be so much of a "wedge" issue as more than a few "liberals" find us appalling as well as the conservatives...but we are what we are...as nature intended. I hope I don't hear about "choice" either. Bogus argument. You either like guys or you don't...no choice. You either like women or you don't...no choice. Anyone who claims that it is a choice, have you ever been tempted to have sex with a man? And if so, what stopped you? At least 9 out of 10 it will be a religious belief.
pjmrt will come up with another nonsensical retort. You have nailed this one directly on the head.
Yes, but could it be a "wedgie" issue.:scratchin
But you make my point in a way. The GOP doesn't want abortion to go away as an issue, but they've been successful beyond their wildest dreams. I suspect Roberts will be deemed "acceptable" all around and confirmed. And I supect if a Roe decision comes along, he will side with the conservative majority. I'm pretty sure that much of his vetting was to make sure he wasn't going to be another O'Conner who had occasional lapses of reason and sanity.:lol:
So gays are being "groomed" as it were, to take the place of abortion should they lose it as an issue for the religious right.
All this talk about "traditional" marriage and family values is so much horse manure. One hundred years ago a wife and children were just so much property of the husband. And for most of the history of Man, polygamy has been the rule rather than the exception. And polygamy is still legal and widely practiced in many non-western cultures.
It is probably very fair to say that humans today have far more "mothers" then "fathers". That is, just like in any social animal, dominant males did most of the mating with nearly all the females. So a few males passed on their genes and lots of females did. This is probably one of the reasons we have homosexual men today, and they seem to outnumber lesbians considerably(that is as long as you don't believe everything you see in the pages of Penthouse and Hustler).
Unless you were going to be a dominant male, there was a certain advantage to being a "gay" male. First, you would be less likely to go insane from being forbidden to mate with females. And second, and related, you were less likely to get killed for TRYING to mate with a female.
The insanity thing also helps to understand the lure of martyrdom for young Muslim men. There IS less casual sex in Islamic culture. Largely because women are repressed and kept hidden from public view. If not by being virtual prisoners in their father's homes, at least by cumbersome burkas to hide anything that coule be remotely perceived as sexual. Powerful Muslim men have the opportunity of multiple wifes. Since like everywhere else, men and women in Islamic cultures are split about 50/50, that leaves a lot of frustrated young boys and men out there. In such a depressing scenario, the prospect of 72 virgins awaiting them in heaven is a pretty powerful argument. And the fact that homosexuality and masturbation are considered sins sometimes criminally punishible doesn't expand the options either.
OK, now that my socio-anthropology seminar is over, I'd like you all to read chapter seven before the next lecture. There will be a quiz a week from Friday.
Alright wiseguy. Answer me this. IS masturbation a sin? And IF it is, what Biblical passage makes it a sin? :shrug:
Good question jonstad. Being declared a thumper I will say I don't know of a single passage that would prohibit this practice. There is the "intent of the heart" that could come into play, but if your intent is to not fornicate that would be a biblical reason to do it! :slowgrin:
As far as Roberts goes, I am encouraged that if he is a good man, by that I mean that there aren't any big skeletons in his closet, he should be approved. Sure they need to examine him, but his personal beliefs should not come into play. Does he uphold the law or doesn't he? That is the question. A strict constructionist is not that because of his social policies, he's that because he believes we have an agreement between the American government and it's people to operate within the constitution that forms the base for our law. If the agreement says do it this way, let's do this way. If it doesn't say, leave it up to individual states to determine.