C71KW Review (AT&T TV device)

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  1. Feb 10, 2020 #61 of 193
    b4pjoe

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    A small local telco has been saying fiber is coming in our town. They started saying that in 2014. They used to have a place on their website to give your email address so you could be contacted when fiber becomes available. That is no longer on their website. Not a good sign for the soon to be fiber here. :confused:
     
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    I'd say FTTH is dead except in new construction and even that is pretty limited. It's just too expensive (for the installation) -- monthly bill wise, T & GF charge a lot less then Cox does for 1Gbps. Besides, there are limited to no legal (and/or that don't violate TOS) applications for symmetric internet in the home.
     
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    You completely misunderstood my post. I agree, the vast majority of YTTV subscribers are getting their broadband and their TV from two different companies (e.g. Comcast for internet + Google for YTTV). But again, YTTV has only 2 million subs. I don't think that there's ever going to be a majority of Americans getting broadband and cable TV from two different companies. It's just not a natural thing for most consumers to do.

    That's why I say that AT&T TV will *mainly* be purchased by folks who get their broadband from AT&T. Now, that said, AT&T does have a situation where they have millions of DirecTV customers who get their broadband from a company other than AT&T (largely because AT&T isn't a broadband option where those folks live). Some of those folks will probably be persuaded to switch over to AT&T TV given that they already have a relationship in place with AT&T through which they can become aware of this new service. "Oh, I can get the same channels and picture quality I have now on DirecTV but also have better receivers with built-in apps and Google Assistant? And it costs a little less too? OK, sign me up." These folks are already used to maintaining two separate billing relationships for TV and broadband.

    As I've said before, I don't expect AT&T TV to be wildly successful. I think it will help the company slow down the rate of decline in its overall cable TV subscriber base and it will also help them improve uptake of AT&T Fiber in those areas where it's available. And I think that's all AT&T really expects/hopes for AT&T TV to do.

    Well, I think it will also do a third thing: help drive penetration of HBO Max, since they'll be packaging it with AT&T TV.
     
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    No worries. Clearly I misunderstood what you were trying to say in those last couple of sentences of that post.

    Time will tell on this point but I think more and more people are starting to view their ISP, whether it is their local cable co or some other company, as just the internet pipe into their house. I know that’s how I and most of my family/friends/neighbors view it. Particularly when their live tv service is just an app on their streaming device that can be changed at will, with no more than a 1 month commitment, with just a few clicks.
     
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    My parents live in Altice territory and last I heard they are still full bore to wire everyone with FTTH It is going to be awhile
     
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    That's the way I've always thought of my ISP. Just a pipeline into the home. We don't have much choice about ISPs here. I would happily switch to another ISP if I could.

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    I dunno. They started in 2015 I think. And I haven't seen any sign of the trucks that do the cable laying in months. It was supposed to take about a year and that's obviously not happening. I hope you're right but I'd rather see Verizon FIOS in my area. We were supposed to get it and then that stopped too.

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    It is going to take YEARS Rich. Below is the current Jersey Status

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    Says: "Active" for my town, Piscataway. I have no idea what that means.

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    Thanks. I'm gonna have to call them, all I see on that link is bundles.

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    On the other hand, I've had my dish covered in snow, and gotten no signal during heavy wet snow, while my internet was humming along. I've had that happen more often than my internet go out for that long.
     
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    Folks in rural areas don't get the kind of Net service we do. Like you, I rarely lose the connection.

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    Exactly. I live in a very rural area serviced by SPECTRUM. Packages and service available in cities are not available in our area.
     
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    Any updates to your review or further thoughts on your experience using this device over the past week? Assuming that you could get your current package of DirecTV channels via AT&T TV on this device for the same price, would you switch? Why or why not?
     
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    Meant to post this earlier but I was a bit busy Friday. Overall I was actually impressed that AT&T managed to produce a decent TV device. Overall I've been quite pleased and surprised with Osprey in its current form sure it has some drawbacks (what doesn't) but it is an impressive piece of kit.

    If I was paying regular price for D* Select (currently $62.99), ARS ($15) and 3 TVs ($21) which would be $98.99/mo I would defiantly make the jump to AT&T TV and get Entertainment which is $93/mo (also the new customer perks for the first year would push me there too.) However as long as I have my $25 VLC on D* which makes the regular price of Select, ARS, 3 TVs $73.99/mo for me I will stay put. If I did switch to AT&T TV I would just subscribe to Epix Now because of Epix Drive-In and since Osprey supports Epix Now. I would get Movies Extra Pack with AT&T TV because I enjoy it on D*. HBO is included with my wireless plan regardless of provider so no worries there.

    To be completely honest if AT&T TV Now had A&E, AMC, Discovery, Food Network, History and ID in the Max package and I wasn't getting HBO as part of my wireless plan with AT&T I would gladly keep the Max package at $80/mo as those are the only channels I need that it was missing.

    Full Detailed Review
    0. Introduction (this may recap my first impression post)

    For the purpose of review of the AT&T TV device (aka C71KW / Osprey) I had to subscribe to AT&T TV Now to use the box. Currently AT&T has the box on lock so you need either an active AT&T TV or AT&T TV Now account to use the AT&T TV device. For the purpose of review I chose the Max base package at $80/mo because it had a good mix of entertainment, sports and premiums for me to try out.

    I also got a free month of Epix to try out after going to the "Account Details" section of my AT&T TV Now account and selecting "View promotions and offers". So if you still have AT&T TV Now I recommend clicking on that button and paying attention to any blue notification bars that appear at the top could land you some goodies. :)

    I have 2 TVs that are 1080p Full HD SDR sets and 1 720p HD SDR set so I couldn't test out the 4K HDR capabilities of the AT&T TV device (here-on referred to as Osprey.) My Internet speed is 300 Mbps download / 20 Mbps upload which is more than enough for the service.

    AT&T recommends 8 Mbps download for each stream (3 max) so any plan that is lower than 25 Mbps could result in lower quality video and performance. If you have a household of at least 3 members that would make full use of the 3 concurrent streams plus any other streaming services (like Netflix) or gaming (PC or console) I would personally recommend 75-100 Mbps depending on activity for optimal streaming.

    Going forward I'm going to refer to the AT&T TV device as Osprey.

    1. Technical Specifications
    Information provided from the official manual at AT&T and Android TV Guide. The beta version of Osprey I received has 6.3GB available to the user for additional apps (I found this under App Storage.) I didn't see anywhere else in the system menus about storage. This could mean the version AT&T is releasing has more storage available to the consumer or 9.7GB is reserved for the operating system, AT&T TV app and future updates. See Android TV Guide's page for a link to some Geekbench scores from April/May 2019.
    • Model: C71KW-XXX (200 for Samsung produced models, 400 for WNC produced models)
    • Android TV version: 8.0 (Oreo)
    • Operator Tier: Yes
    • System on a Chip: Broadcom BCM7271
    • CPU: Quad-core 1.6 GHz (ARM Cortex-A53)
    • GPU: Broadcom VideoCore V HW (V3D-520)
    • RAM: 2GB DDR memory / 64 bit DDR3/DDR4 interface
    • Storage: 16GB eMMC
    • Video and Audio: MPEG2, Dolby Audio, MPEG-4 AVC single or dual display up to 1080i60/1080p30 or UHD/4K, HEVC / VP9 display, HDR10 SMPTE ST 2084, ST 2086 Blu-ray
      standard and HLG support
    • TV Compatibility: Compatible with HD and 4K TVs with HDMI 2.0 & 1.4, HDCP 2.2, 60 Hz and capable of 4K, 1080p and 3D
    • Remote Control Support: IR Remote Control Interface, RF Remote Control Interface
    2. Basic Information
    The primary interface is the AT&T TV app so this will be familiar to existing AT&T TV Now subscribers who use the service on non-AT&T devices such as Apple TV (4th/5th generations), Amazon Fire TV devices and Roku devices (for those who currently have the AT&T TV app installed prior to the removal.) On non-AT&T devices the Gear icon (aka Settings) is minimal only providing basic account info, marketing preferences (i.e. Nielson ratings) and the option to sign-out. Osprey adds an "Apps" tab beside the "Discovery" tab for easy access to your apps, pre-installed apps like Netflix, Bleacher Report Live, Boomerang, DC Universe, YouTube, etc. It also provides easy access to the Google Play Store, Google Play Games, Google Play Movies & TV and Google Play Music. For an overview of common apps that are compatible with Osprey see this list.

    As per the current AT&T TV device User Manual (link above) Osprey does not support Picture-In-Picture. Currently AT&T TV/AT&T TV Now does not support PPV of any kind.

    If you would like to purchase/rent movies this can be done through Google Play Movies & TV, Vudu, Redbox, etc. Because Google Play Movies & TV, FandangoNow, YouTube and Vudu are participating Movies Anywhere retailers any movie purchased from them from studios like Walt Disney studios, Universal Pictures studios, Sony Pictures studios and Warner Bros. studios can be linked to a Movies Anywhere account and streamed through those apps or the Movies Anywhere app.

    If you purchased movies from Amazon Video, iTunes or any other Movies Anywhere retailer that is not supported by Osprey if you link those accounts to your Movies Anywhere account you can view those purchases on Osprey via supported MA retailers or the Movies Anywhere app. ESPN+ is supported on Osprey so any sports related PPV events ESPN+ has can be purchased through them. Osprey also supports DAZN.

    3. The Remote
    I wish AT&T would make a similar remote for D* because I honestly love the revised remote they are now distributing with Osprey. The form factor is like the love-child between the D*'s Universal Remote and the Genie Remote. The Vol +/- and Ch +/- buttons are very similar to the Genie Remote but without the loud audible clicking noises but the tactile feeling when pressing the buttons are still there. The remote has a light black-light (can't be turned off) which is nice and comes in handy when using it in the dark.

    4. Google Assistant
    Osprey supports Google Assistant which comes in handy when searching for programs or tuning to a specific channel. You can also use Google Assistant to tell you the weather, check your Google calendar, search for news, etc. Depending on the apps installed Goggle Assistant can search for titles within installed apps that support the feature. You can even tell Goggle Assistant to go to a live channel (like ESPN) while watching Netflix and it will take you there. You can also ask it to open any installed app and it works very quickly I love being able to ask Google Assistant to open Spotify for example. :cool:

    One point you need to be very clear when using channel names sometimes it may confuse Epix with FX. o_O

    The only issue I have with Google Assistant is occasionally it will take it a few seconds to close an app and return to AT&T TV/Now. I have ran into a few instances where it may glitch and the AT&T TV/Now app may need to reload. The quickest way I've found to exit an app is by pressing the "Home" button and it will close the app and take you back to AT&T TV/Now quickly. Outside of this Google Assistant works very well and I'm sure with future updates/optimizations AT&T could fix this small issue.

    So far I'm very surprised by the integration of Google Assistant and prefer it over the Alexa skill for DirecTV HR44+. If I want to go to a channel directly I just tell Google Assistant this will be something I will miss when I go back to using D* exclusively. :(

    5. Bulit-in Google Chromecast
    Since this is powered by Android TV it has built-in Chromecast which is nice. I casted a few things from my Google Chrome browser and had no issues. I also tried casting something from a few apps like Disney+ from my iPhone XR and it worked as well. Although if I had an Android powered device like a smartphone or tablet I could have experimented more but my iPhone only tends to play well with the Apple TV. Although I would recommend playing YouTube videos directly from the app instead of casting them as the YouTube app has a higher quality video than just casting.

    6. Osprey with AT&T TV/Now
    So the AT&T TV/Now service works very well on Osprey! It is quick, fluid and responsive just like in some of the YouTube videos we have seen so far. Pretty much the beta Osprey device with AT&T TV Now worked just like how it did in this video. AT&T TV Now has channel numbers just like AT&T TV when using Osprey the guide just doesn't show channels you are not paying for (which is 100% accurate versus D*'s Channels I Get :eek:).

    I love how quickly I can scroll through the Guide on AT&T TV Now via Osprey its like when I use my HR44 just buttery smooth. My C41Ws are beyond the pale when compared to Osprey in that the C41Ws are laggy as hell then want to pause and play catch-up with the button presses. o_O

    So people on D* with older clients (or older receivers like HR34 that run slow) will love this. U-Verse TV subscribers who make the jump to AT&T TV will love this as well.

    7. Cloud DVR vs Hardware DVR
    Pro here is you can record as many shows with AT&T TV/Now as you want at the same time with no conflicts. Hardware DVR you have to employ tuner management which is a bummer if you want to record 6 shows but only have an HR44/54. U-Verse TV subscribers are limited both on hardware and internet speed so if they have Internet 25 they can't have too many simultaneous recordings. The pro for the Hardware DVRs is the recordings stay until you delete them (or you run out of room if you have that feature enabled.)

    Setting a show to record via the AT&T TV app is easier and quicker than the D* app. Since the D* receivers have to be connected to get the command from the app there can be issues in the event there is a problem with the internet (or power) at home and you are trying to schedule a recording via the D* app. :oops: The AT&T TV app does not have this drawback since everything is in the cloud. :cool: You can also stream your recordings out of home on AT&T TV/Now whereas on D* you need to download them to your device.

    8. On Demand/72 Hour Rewind/Restart
    AT&T TV/Now has a leg up on its big brother D* with On Demand. Previously in 2016 this didn't work very well but in 2020 it is a different story. I dare say AT&T TV/Now is 100% better than D* On Demand. All episodes work on AT&T TV/Now whereas D* has some issues (i.e. TBS shows are often brought up with D*). Some shows have complete seasons on AT&T TV/Now but missing episodes on D*. (Although for some shows both AT&T TV/Now and D* have the same episodes so that is a hit and miss with AT&T TV/Now.) AT&T TV/Now On Demand loads way quicker than D* On Demand in general. It only took me 5 seconds to load the most recent episode of Miracle Workers: Dark Ages whereas D* took about 30 seconds (and that box is hardwired to my router!) o_O

    Restarting a show/film in progress is also quicker on AT&T TV/Now versus D* so I'm at a loss here for this. :confused: Instead of D*'s "Missed It? Watch It Now" category for the 72 Hour Rewind programs AT&T TV/Now just lists the latest episode with its respective show.

    9. Trickplay
    This is where D* can shine with its full screen display as you rewind or fast-forward shows up to 4x speed either way. AT&T TV/Now via Osprey provides a preview pane similar to YTTV (however this feature is not available on Apple TV or Amazon Fire devices.) :confused:

    The 1x and 2x speeds on Osprey are quicker than their equivalent on D* Genie hardware. Both D* and AT&T TV/Now via Osprey share a common thing when at 4x speed when you hit "Play" the progress bar will actually advance about ~20 seconds ahead so this could cause you to RW at 1x speed if you overshot the end of a commercial break. In my testing 2x speed for Osprey was very quick and accurate whereas on D* I tend to use 3x more often.

    AT&T TV/Now supports quick skip so on non-AT&T devices this works in 15 second increments. (A single backpress is 15 seconds double backpress is 30 seconds, etc.) On Osprey this works a bit differently:
    • Live TV: Pressing the left directional arrow once will go back 15 seconds, press twice for 30 seconds, etc. Pressing the right directional arrow once will advance 30 seconds at a time or until it has caught up with live TV.
    • Recorded/On Demand: Each press either way is 15 seconds, double press for 30 seconds, etc. I was able to go as high as 5 presses will get you 75 seconds (I quit after 5 presses.)
    • 72 Hour/Restart: You can go backwards but can't skip forwards as fast-forwarding is disabled on those programs just like on D*.
    10. Picture Quality
    Again this also has improved since the ill-fated launch of late 2016 ;) I temporarily moved my 2nd TV into my living room to do a side-by-side comparison of the two services. I was able to compare FS Ohio HD during a hockey game since D* gave me FS Ohio as a complimentary service a few weeks after downgrading my package.
    • Fox Sports Ohio: AT&T TV/Now has this channel as a full time 720p HD channel whereas D* only shows first run events in HD rest in SD. So I watched a full NHL Hockey game on both AT&T TV Now w/Osprey and on D* w/HR44. I didn't notice any different between the two services the picture quality looked exactly the same to me when watching both TVs side by side at a normal viewing distance. Even getting up close I didn't notice a difference.
    • Syfy: Next test was watching SyFy for about 30 minutes (they had an ep of Futurama on.) Syfy was picked as it is a 1080i Full HD channel. Again I didn't notice any difference when watching the two side by side.
    • Boomerang: Picked as it was one of the few SD channels I had access to on both services. This wasn't a fair comparison since the channel was window-boxed on AT&T TV/Now and I had to use my TV's native zooming feature to get rid of the extra black bars. However still looked better than D*.
    • CNBC World: This was the other SD channel I had access to and it was in widescreen SD on AT&T TV/Now so I could watch both side-by-side with no black bars. AT&T TV/Now does have better PQ on SD channels than D* does. (My original 2nd option was QVC2 however AT&T TV/Now has this in Full HD while D* has this in SD so I had to scrap that idea.:confused: The other shopping channel just looked awful on both services.)
    • Miracle Workers: (Season 2, Episode 2) - This was picked as the Cloud vs Hardwire DVR test. Again no noticeable difference here both looked the same to me.
    • Miracle Workers: (Season 1, Episode 1) - Chosen as the On Demand test here I was able to notice a small, subtle difference. It wasn't bad or degraded the actual video but I was able to tell the Osprey was upscaling to 1080i. When I pulled up Osprey's System Info screen my suspicion was confirmed as AT&T TV Now's On Demand version was 720p despite TBS' linear feed being in 1080i. Since the Genies can't do native anymore I couldn't use that to see if D* On Demand was the same. I plan on reconnecting my HR24 later this week, putting it on native and re-watching this episode to see if the version of this episode on D* On Demand is just like its AT&T TV Now On Demand counterpart.
    11. Channels, Packages and Price
    So this is where AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now vary. The strong suite for both services is that in certain areas these services are the OTT leaders in regional sports especially in Chicago where AT&T has both NBC Sports Chicago and Marquee Sports Network.

    AT&T TV will have the most robust lineup of channels but at a cost.

    AT&T TV Now is missing some key channels from key groups in its base Plus and Max packages however there is no single OTT provider targeting cord-cutters/cord-nervers that has the full suite of top channels. So it really depends on what you want and mixing & matching to get the full suite.

    As of 2/15/20 the regular price for AT&T TV is the 2019 D* prices so AT&T TV currently has some automatic savings built in there after the 12-month introductory offer ends. AT&T TV also has customers purchase equipment not lease it so there is no ongoing equipment charges either. Based on non-promo rates an existing D*/U-Verse TV can save $18-$20 per month. (Except those on U-450 they will pay $0.50/mo based on regular rates.)

    (Both DirecTV and U-Verse TV are using their "All-Included" pricing structure which includes the base package of channels, HD, DVR, WH-DVR and the first TV.)
    **AT&T TV Now sells the same packages as AT&T TV without any promotions, contracts or hardware included under the "Other Packages" tab. However the AT&T TV Now versions do not charge a monthly RSN fee.

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    On a side note the AT&T TV app w/Osprey has a "channel 192" which serves as an in-guide launch pad to the Netflix app. o_O

    12. Conclusion
    AT&T TV Now (formally DirecTV Now) has done a lot of growing in 3 years and can be considered a worthy alternative to its big brother DirecTV if the Plus or Max packages happen to suit your needs or if you were planning on getting HBO and Philo alongside another streaming service.

    Since AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now are sharing the same app and infrastructure AT&T TV will be good for those wanting a traditional MVPD experience but with modern features. Those who move and loved D* but can't get it due to things like No Line of Sight will be happy with AT&T TV and Osprey as an alternative (if they have good Internet.)

    Using AT&T TV Now w/Osprey for a full week I did notice a small spike in my data usage but it wasn't nothing to be concerned about. Binge watching a season of a show via D* On Demand actually uses more data than a full 8 hour day of watching AT&T TV Now via Osprey.

    If I couldn't have my D* I would defiantly go with AT&T TV over any traditional MVPD. AT&T just needs to keep on their toes about updating Osprey, improving switching from apps back to AT&T TV and working with Google on refining and optimizing Google Assistant.

    Hate to say it but for U-Verse TV at least it looks like curtains when this goes national I just don't see them continuing to sell U-Verse TV once AT&T TV goes nationwide.

    AT&T TV device (C71KW/Osprey) I give it 3.5 out of 5 stars: Get Hulu and Amazon Prime Video and fix the minor issues above and this would be a 4.5 out of 5 stars.

    AT&T TV Now I give it 4 out of 5 stars which is dramatic improvement over its past. I can't ding it too much on the channels issue as we currently don't have an vMVPD that as a robust lineup of channels from all major groups. If it adds the major channels from A+E Networks, AMC Networks, Discovery, and some pro-sports without a major price increase I would rate it a 4.5 out of 5 stars.

    [Last edited 2/18/20 mistake in table AT&T U-Verse TV's max broadcast fee is $7.99]
     
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  17. Feb 15, 2020 #77 of 193
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    Wow, very thorough review! Thanks for taking the time to evaluate and write this up!

    As for my earlier question, what I meant was this: If you disregard prices and channel availability (i.e. assume that they would be exactly the same between AT&T TV and DirecTV), which service would you choose? When you factor in everything else -- hardware, UIs, feature sets, etc. -- which do you like better, AT&T TV or DirecTV?
     
  18. Feb 16, 2020 #78 of 193
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    Your welcome it was actually very fun tbh :) I would ultimately chose AT&T TV over any traditional MVPD in all honestly. Through all my testing any feature I wanted to use in or out of home with the AT&T TV app just worked without any extra actions needed and that's what I like. (One of the reasons I stay with iPhone, iPad and Apple TV lol) I dread having to use the D* app sometimes because I know at a some point it will kick back with an error or two just to upset me.

    I had no problems with the UI and in all honestly its actually better than D*'s. I loved having the channel logos in the guide and AT&T TV's logos seem to be constantly up to date unlike D*'s. Also AT&T TV has proper logos for Epix 2 and Epix Hits unlike D*'s channel banner which just has a generic typeface right now.

    It was also nice having those traditional pay-TV features like dedicated channel numbers and channel surfing available alongside the modern features like streaming apps, Spotify, etc. Not having to constantly change inputs when I wanted to stream something was a huge bonus. I haven't watched a lot of Hulu and Amazon Prime Video since the launch of Disney+ and right now I have a free month of CBS All Access so I've been using those apps for the most part and having them on Osprey was so cool since I didn't have to switch inputs.

    For me the only downside is the lack of hardware DVR. I will always prefer a hardware DVR but I the new Cloud DVR they rolled out is very good so I wouldn't mind sacrificing the hardware DVR in favor of the Cloud DVR for all the other features the service provides.
     
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  19. Feb 17, 2020 #79 of 193
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    I'm not necessarily expecting it but it's possible that AT&T will at some point upgrade the Osprey from Android TV 8 to either 9 or 10 (which were released by Google in 2018 and 2019, respectively). The focus of those two recent updates to Android TV has mainly been optimization to work better on lower-powered devices, such as smart TVs, as opposed to new user-facing features or UI changes. Not that the Osprey is a low-powered device; Geekbench scores indicate that it's about as powerful as the current-gen Fire TV Stick 4K, IIRC. But running a newer, better optimized version of the OS might make it perform a bit smoother with regard to app-switching, accessing Google Assistant, etc.
     
  20. Feb 17, 2020 #80 of 193
    techguy88

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    If they are committed to the long term viability for the platform they will eventually have to update to a newer version of Android TV. The fact they launched with 8.0 (Oreo) is very good considering at the time of Pie's release in 2018 most Android TV devices and TV sets were still running 7.x (Nougat). Oreo will ensure the device keeps getting updates for the long term. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets updated to 9.0 (Pie) now if AT&T would skip Pie and go straight to 10 for the next major update that would shock me.

    Looking at Android TV Guide's listing of NA Pay-TV operators Android TV devices it looks like the upcoming WOW! tv+box will use similar specs and the Operator Tier will release with Pie which is good. This means AT&T should be able to update Osprey to Pie without issue. Most European devices using the Operator Tier are also on Pie which is good. So far I haven't seen any device on Android TV Guide for the US/EU market on 10. Although Nvidia Shield TV seems to be the best one at keeping up with Android TV updates as it started with 5.1 Lollipop and currently runs 9.0 Pie.
     
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