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cable modem or DSL - your opinion?

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by toddjb, Nov 22, 2002.

  1. gcutler

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    Plague of Locusts fall from the sky (technically weather). They chew thru fiberoptic cable. Thus succeptable to weather :p
     
  2. Geronimo

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    i never referenced your experience my friend. My only point was that the quality of DSL and cable service vary so widely from one area to another that you can't make any generalizations. We would seem to bein agreement on that.


    And Bogy I dont know that I ever said that it was becaause teo of my neighbors went on line. In some areas. And this is one. Cable speeds degrade significantly during peak times. I think people need to check into therse things before going with cable because it is "faster".
     
  3. Geronimo

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    I have weather outages on cable too. First of all not all of us have fire optic lines. Secondly in my area a lot of the cable is above ground. It does go out and quite often it does so for hours at a time. In three years plus of satellite TV I have had only 5 weather outages. All were short term and one was due to severe weather in Cheyenne not at my home. Although hey a weater related outage is a weather related outage.

    I had cable for years and the outages were frequent. I have had cable internet for only a few months but it has gone out 4 times in bad weather---including the day it was installed.

    So it really does vary from area to area.
     
  4. James_F

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    Geronimo,

    Thats my point. Asking this question gets a different response for everyone. Unlike DBS, cable/DSL is SO VERY different depending on your location. Your cable system sounds like my parents so I know what you are going though, but you can't just say DSL is better, just like I can't say cable modems are better. The best thing to do is find out what your neighbors are using and how their sevice is. I'm lucky enough to have fiberoptic cable all around me so I'l 100% sure that is why my service is always up. Heck I've never have my phone service go down and I get that through the cable company also.
     
  5. gcutler

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    I was mistaken...Thats the way it was explained to me. :sure:
     
  6. James_F

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    OK everybody, group hug now. [​IMG]
     
  7. gcutler

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    Will Zac be wearing his DBSTALK.com Thong? :righton:
     
  8. raj2001

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    Remember as well that alot of DSL providers are simply reselling your local Telco's or a CLEC's DSL (not the internet service, just the DSL line and DSLAM). For example, DirecTV DSL (ex Telocity) may be reselling Verizon's lines and Earthlink may be reselling Covad's. Therefore differences between ISP's and their DSL service may not be as different as you think.

    Cable ISP's typically own everything but due to FCC regulation they may be forced to share it with other providers. For example, in NYC you can choose Earthlink, AOL, NYConnect or RoadRunner and they all use the Time Warner cable network.
     
  9. Mike123abc

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    One advantage I have found with DSL is the ability to get a static IP address. In the systems I have been on Cable tends to work faster. The phone company does not want to make DSL work too fast because they dont want to sell you a T1 line.
     
  10. Bogy

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    Explain exactly why it is inappropriate to use the other two wires in a four wire line to connect your second line. Does the inappropriate color of the insulation interfere with the transfer of electrons in the copper wire? I haven't noticed a problem in the many 2-line phones I have installed using four wire cable.
     
  11. James_F

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    Hmmm.... Cox allows me to have a static IP, though my brother has had his for over a year and its ip has not changed even though its DHCP.
     
  12. gcutler

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    Has the PC or Cable Modem Router been down for any extended period of time? A sure way to lose that DHCP lease :D

    "Honey, did we leave the Iron on or the Router OFF when we left home for Disney Land???"
     
  13. Neil Derryberry

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    Zac, you are completely wrong on a couple of levels.

    Most houses are wired with Cat3 because it is much less expensive than Cat5 when bought in bulk. I'm talking plenum-rated cable, not PVC. PVC is out of code for just about anything other than patch cables. Home runs aren't the standard, either. Most new construction consists of one cat3 run that appears at each jack... the blue pair is cut, and each wire is stripped and twisted together to allow the jack connection, and the line runs back out of the box to the next jack.

    When you order a second line from the telco, it gets run down the second pair. Unless termination points are done poorly, crosstalk isn't an issue because of the high current of a phone line (42-45VDC, 90VDC ring voltage).
     
  14. gcutler

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    So Now Your Expertise also runs to construction and building codes? Take my word on this, builders do not put anything above what is required without you asking for it. If minimum requiremens is CAT3, you are getting CAT3 unless you ask and pay for it. My house wasn't pre-wired for Cable and the phone lines only went to the Kitchen, Living Room and Master bedroom (not to the den or the 2 smaller bedrooms). This was because the original owner didn't ask for it, thus the money was not spent (Decent Builder Or Not)

    A decent builder may ask you if you want the CAT5 option, but why would they spend money on something that many people would say now to if asked.
     
  15. James_F

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    Zac, when I built my house I had an option of having the builder install the network. They wanted to install CAT3 (it even says in the options list). I had to pay them extra to get CAT5e put in.

    Again you are confusing the real world with yours. No one does more than the job requires no matter how skilled they are.
     
  16. Neil Derryberry

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    Zac, I've been a network engineer for ten years now... you don't know what you are talking about. I don't doubt that some builders do what you are speaking of, but that certainly isn't the majority. Vast minority, in my experience. If you would like to continue this little pissing contest, PM me.
     
  17. PeterB

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    Ive had both, they both have thier ups and downs, but what it comes to is this,

    Cable isnt always faster, in fact its offen the same, AT&T caps bandwidth to 1.5mbit down, and 128kbit up, the same speed I get from my DSL provider, for the same price.

    After switching after I moved, I can say my DSL is more consistant than AT&T (or when they were using @home) ever has been. Granted, I did have a cable modem 4+ years, and my DSL service about 7 months.

    but as always with different cable companies, YMMV.
     
  18. gcutler

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    My hope with DSL is that it is a more stable entity (corporate wise). Thinking about all the merging and selling my "Theorhetical" cable company would have been thru. And knowing people who have had the company on their bill change 3 times in 5 years (and they didn't move) that can cause annoyance. A friend who had 3 different companies in 5 years had the Cable Modem entity switch on her, so they forced an e-mail address change, changes in the end-user agreement. If going with the local Telco's DSL avoids that administrative junk, that might be beneficial??? All Things Being Equal???
     
  19. jlabsher

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    I've had both, cable with ATT/@home. Moved to the east coast and the cable system sucked. Got the dish then convinced the wife to let me have DSL (Earthlink).

    Did not have to install 2nd line, got the phone line filters with the package. In my area both cable & DSL run about $50 a month, but cable has a download speed cap of around 800, if you want faster speed, you pay more.

    With cable you always face the risk that they will buy out or merge, probably don't face that with DSL. I have experienced cable slowing down during peak times, not so much with DSL. Thing is with most cable companies you have to have their digital plan to get internet, or you pay out the wazoo. With DSL, you will not need 2 lines and most companies offer specials where they give you the modem, etc if you sign up for one year. All you need is a network card on your computer.

    I would recommend DSL, just because I have grown to hate cable companies so much, and both technologies are very similar.
     
  20. jeffwtux

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    jlabsher: the drawback with DSL, IF IT'S AVAILABLE, is that you need a FIRST LINE. Cellular phone deals are way better than land lines today. I'm geting 750 anytime minutes + 3000 NW minutes starting at 8pm(That 8pm start time isn't offered anymore. I was grandfathered) for $40/month with Sprint PCS. Who needs a land line with that. I can live with just Sprint PCS and a cable modem. Of course you need a cable deal that will give you a cable modem at a fair price without cable TV. I've got Earthlink for $41.95.
     

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