Can AIM meters be used by amateurs?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by SalmonGuy22, Mar 17, 2018.

  1. jimmie57

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    They must be using a different zip code than Seattle because all of the Seattle stations are on the 101. If you had a 5 LNB you could get stations in SD on the 119.
    See if you can find out what zip they are using so we can look it up.
     
  2. SalmonGuy22

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    Sure. Could only get in touch with one of them but 98271 is the zip. Thanks for the tip on the advantage of going to a 5LNB.

    Question for you: I found a spreadsheet on satellite guys that shows the satellites for local channels. It showed sat99 and 101 for Seattle local channels. You say the Seattle channels are 101 only. Can you help educate me on what I'm misinterpreting on the spreadsheet? Trying to learn as I go...thanks.

    Seattle channels screenshot.PNG
     
  3. jimmie57

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    It appears that I picked off the wrong set of channels or the spreadsheet I read was wrong. Most likely that I picked off the wrong set.
    The following is from the link I gave you earlier to type in the zip and see what it shows.
    There is no need for the 5 LNB that I can see. The HD programs are on the 99 satellite.
    Available Channels

    Network
    Affiliate Local Channel # 3-Digit Channel # HD Channel
    ABC KOMO 4 4
    NBC KING 5 5
    CBS KIRO 7 7
    PBS KCTS 9 9
    CW KSTW 11 11
    IND KVOS 12
    FOX KCPQ 13 13
    IND KONG 16 16
    MNT KZJO 22 22
    PBS KBTC 28 28
    ION ION 33
    AZA KFFV 45
    UNI KUNS 51 51

    This did not post well. The ones with duplicate numbers in the line have SD and HD.
    The ones with only 1 channel number are SD only.

    Edit: It was my error. The locations for the HD channels started with A3 Seattle instead of Seattle.
    When I sorted that column it totally separated them.
     
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  4. SalmonGuy22

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    Okay, thanks. My Dad just looked and found a small dent in the dish. I'm guessing that isn't helping anything so here's what I'm planning on doing based on the advice of this thread / my desire to eliminate possible equipment issues:
    1. Will purchase a new slimline 3 dish with 3 LNB. (happy to get a different model if it will make life easier)
    2. Will purchase new coax for all connections.
    3. Will purchase new power inserter (21v).

    Will get up there with my AIM meter and try to lock in sat 101 in the very high 90's. Then will do the dithering to fine tune 99 and 103.

    Might be overkill but it isn't that much money and we gotta get this going again. Thoughts / suggestions on this approach? Missing anything? Any thoughts on what SS is needed for sat 99 to work?

    Appreciate all the help.
     
  5. P Smith

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    Funny, you got a table originated here by Gary Toma, perhaps copied outdated ... you did quoted my post #7 and went to other site , heheh
     
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  6. P Smith

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    Sorry, it has no value for your location and channels. Discard it. ;)
     
  7. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Small dent would not affect a reception of sat signals.
    I would check a warping of the reflector if you see some signs of that - two strings at 90 degree, crossing around a center of the reflector should touch each other or put the reflector whiteout an arm on a table, should lay flat
     
  8. P Smith

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    You don't need AIM - it's a tool for professionals who're doing repetitive job alone, you have your dad :) - he will shouting SS numbers to you when you'll SLOWLY rotate, aiming the dish
     
  9. P Smith

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    I would check the numbers with your neighbor's setups
     
  10. P Smith

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    if it's RG-6 and doesn't deteriorated or chewed by rodent, then it would be waste of money

    Instead of wasting money on AIM, I would buy good compression type F-connectors with Palladin tool at least and check/change all of them if you have old type - crimped
     
  11. P Smith

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    Why ? If you have simple multi-meter, just check output voltage of your PI
     
  12. SalmonGuy22

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    Appreciate all the help.
    Been there done that for 5+ hours recording numbers and SS strength as we went so we could get the best signal possible. Posted a picture of the best readings we can get and they are still low (I was actually doing the yelling and Dad was turning...more fun to be on the yelling end of things).
     
  13. SalmonGuy22

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    Love it. Should i get 21V? what two connections do you test from?
     
  14. SalmonGuy22

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    Will do, thank you.
     
  15. slice1900

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    If its dented it is probably also bent by whatever dented it. Not worth trying to diagnose with a piece of string or whatever crazy ideas PSmith feeds you, just get a new one you know isn't damaged. If a new one cost $5000 then maybe you'd want to avoid the expense, but they're cheap.
     
  16. P Smith

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    Hey, hey, it's not my "crazy" ideas ! Anyone who did install dishes back to C-band era knew how to check the warping. I'm not young enough to miss the knowledge.
     
  17. slice1900

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    You always give these engineer minded solutions telling people "take your multimeter and do x" or "hook it up to a spectrum analyzer and you'll see" which aren't realistic for 99% of the people who come here with questions.

    Sure, you COULD diagnose whether the dish is bent or not (and hope you do it properly so you get the right answer) but why bother when a complete new dish including LNB costs like $50.
     
  18. James Long

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    Is that $50 US or CAN?

    Assuming that it is broke and buying a replacement without diagnosis can get expensive. It is ok if a suggestion turns out to be beyond the user's skill set. But when it is a case of not knowing if the equipment is bad or not a little diagnostics help can go a long way.

    As noted in the first post, DIRECTV will not be out to help install/repair at this site.
     
  19. P Smith

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    perhaps I'm still to be EE, not money maker ;)
     
  20. SalmonGuy22

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    As the person asking for help, I don't think there has to be one right answer--just ideas and different ways of thinking. I thought both were valid points and I always appreciate the free way to try and also knowing that if i do need to throw money at the problem that it isn't that expensive. I ended up buying a new one because that way we will know we have a working unit (I guess you never know but barring something weird it should work) and if we get up there and something isn't working it will be a wasted trip and beyond frustrating. Also, given we spent hours trying to aim it and took notes on signal readings for each position....and still couldn't get it tuned in, it seems like starting with fresh equipment for 125 bucks delivered was a good way to go.

    P.Smith has been a huge help and i appreciate it, even if i ended up buying new stuff. AIM meter arrived today (which if you remember, started this entire thread). Brace yourselves for help questions on April 1st (plenty of foolish questions only they won't be an April fool's joke).
     

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