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Can DTV Please Give More Bandwidth to the Sundance Channel?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by JohnDG, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. JohnDG

    JohnDG Legend

    Aug 16, 2006
    It has to be embarassing that I get a better picture streaming Netflix at 1Mbps than I get watching the Sundance Channel on DTV.

    SD quality can look OK if they give it a decent amount of bandwidth.

  2. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

    Jan 10, 2008
    Only if that bandwidth was available. Is well known that compresses the sh!t out of SD content

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  3. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Does that make it right?

    That DIRECTV is tapped out on bandwidth compatible with SD receivers means that things probably aren't going to get better for SD.
  4. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    Dear God please don't give any more bandwidth to an SD channel, get RID of the SD channel and get us Sundance in HD.....
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  5. richard1428

    richard1428 Cool Member

    May 6, 2010
    How many Mbps does directv give to sd channels
  6. JohnDG

    JohnDG Legend

    Aug 16, 2006
    I totally agree, but in the meantime...
  7. HoTat2

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 16, 2005
    Reportedly varies between around ~1-3 mbps on their Ku band SD channels.

    DIRECTV down-rezzes them to around 480 x 480 resolution before temporal compression and sometimes even less, and from last count packs up a to maximum 14 channels per transponder.

    (Ku DBS transponders are 24 Mhz wide)
  8. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    According to the most recent transponder charts, there were 13 video channels and four audio channels on 101W TP9.

    As for Sundance, it shares space with 7 other video channels and the DIRECTV Active Channel.

    WN 362
    GOTV 288
    TNNS 217
    ACT 9999
    TRAV 277
    SUND 557
    PENT 587
    PBTV 579
    VIVID 585
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    is it a question ? ;)

    I could give a current bitrate of the channel, but it wouldn't be same next hour/day/month
    ; statistical multiplexer (loading one tpn) does produce variable bitrate for each channel basing on current parameters of all streams [channels] and some rules
  10. KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    The Transponder Maps are usually grabbed overnight so they don't show part time channels like RSN Alternates, PPV Events, Rugby, UEFA, EPL, ESPN Game Plan, Full Court, Private network broadcasts and other things that are only live during evenings. The NHL is still on a break because of the Olympics so very few alternates are in use right now with NBA being the only major sport in action tonight, but in a few days if you browse every SD RSN alternate as well as the extra non-carried RSN feeds on Center Ice and League Pass and grab the details via the IP command you'll see some of them on this and other transponders.
  11. john262

    john262 AllStar

    Oct 26, 2011
    And what about those who can't afford to pay for HD or who don't have an HD capable television? Directv needs to cater to all of it's customers, not just the ones with HD.
  12. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Even a down razzed Hi Definition channel would be much better.
  13. Jason Whiddon

    Jason Whiddon Hall Of Fame

    Aug 17, 2006
    Whats SD?
  14. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

    Jan 10, 2008
    These group keeps getting smaller and smaller every day and eventually they will have to adapt
  15. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2013
    I imagine if pay TV had been around when color TV made its appearance, there would have been a "color TV fee" for a while, and eventually those with B&W sets who didn't want to pay it would be forced to move forward with the times or change providers.

    Dropping SD is at minimum several years away for Directv, probably longer. When they do drop SD, it remains to be seen how they treat those who stick with SD sets and don't want to pay the HD fee. Directv's HD equipment can of course display HD channels on SD TVs - in SD of course. But I'll bet at some point you won't be able to save any money by being a SD holdout.

    It would be really stupid to charge a HD fee once they're HD only, at some point they'll probably drop that fee and increase the base price of their packages to make up for it. Maybe they'd have the bottom end package be SD only (by having the HD outputs on receivers disabled) so they can have a really cheap option, but it would be missing a lot of channels most people want.

    Anyone want to bet on whether they'll charge a "4K fee" when they start putting out 4K channels? I'm sure some beancounters at Directv HQ have already made projections about how much they can collect in 4K fees in 2016 or something :)
  16. WB4CS

    WB4CS Active Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    Huntsville, AL
    I just mentioned this on another thread. We're years away from seeing 4K and it's highly doubtful 4K would be used in broadcast TV. Movies might make a move to 4K but I can't see broadcast networks making the move. Until the prices come down, I don't think too many people are jumping on the 4K bandwagon when the TVs range close to $10K and there's virtually no content out there to watch in 4K.
  17. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2013
    You've been able to buy 50" 4K TVs for under $1000 for almost a year now. Maybe not the best quality... It costs almost nothing to make a LCD screen with 4x more pixels (think about the resolution of phones and tablets using LCDs) The additional cost is in the electronics, but those get cheaper every year. In a couple years the majority of TVs sold will be 4K, a couple years after that 100% of them will be.

    I agree with you about content though, it costs more to produce and distribute 4K and it isn't clear where the payback is unless people believe in 4K enough to pay for their cable/satellite providers extra for it, and those providers in return pay networks more for it.

    Some early adopters will go for it, because it is "new", just like they did with 3D, but I personally think it'll end up like 3D and never make it past the early adopters to mass market success. It nothing like the dramatic improvement HD was. The only way it'll sell at all is because it really does look a lot better from three feet away, where many people will see it for the first time in Best Buy or Walmart. Unfortunately it makes little or no difference at typical viewing distances.
  18. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    In five years most tvs sold will be 4k. This change will happen purely through the need to upgrade existing equipment IMHO. Not just because they want a shift in technology. But my goodness is 4k great.
  19. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    Yes, 4k is nice but it is not anywhere close to the magnitude of SD to HD.

    Plus, you really need to sit much closer to the TV than people do in their home.

    Take Value Electronics for example. In their showroom, the chairs are just 4 feet in front of an 85 inch screen. This is something you will not find in virtually any home.

    In fact, most people are sitting further away from their HDTV to even be able to see 1080 resolution from their seat.
  20. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    A city in S. CA, on the coast, near Mexico. !


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