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Carnival Triumph (and other Carnival issues)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Apr 5, 2013 #201 of 226
    Nick

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    Tom, you don't really want US interests to be regulated by the UN do you? The solution to foreign registered ships is simple: all cruise ships making US ports to embark > x passengers are subject to inspection by US authorities.

    Best we don't start letting the UN, i.e., other countries, tell us what we can and cannot do.
     
  2. Apr 5, 2013 #202 of 226
    trh

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    According to the link above, non-US ships already fall under UN regulations. But what the article doesn't say, is that the UN agency responsible (the International Maritime Organization or IMO), does not have the authority to enforce its own guidelines, nor can it impose fines or criminal sanctions against cruise lines that are in violation.

    And non-US ships calling on US ports are subject to USCG inspections (and fines), but the CG isn't really adequately manned (or funded) to cover all these ships.

    But more from the letter exchange between Carnival and Sen. Rockefeller:

     
  3. Apr 5, 2013 #203 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    We already are under UN regs for various things--by our choice. That is different than being ruled by other countries. If the ships can avoid US regs by being registered outside of the US, then let's enfoce the existing rules.

    Now, if we can enforce our rules, then even better.

    I don't understand why we don't charge an inspection fees that pays for itself. I have to pay an inspection fee for my cars...

    Peace,
    Tom
     
  4. SayWhat?

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    .http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/27/fire-breaks-out-aboard-royal-caribbean-cruise-ship/2363225/
     
  5. dennisj00

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    I had to back up the dvr to be sure it was Royal Carribbean. . . let's see how everyone jumps on them.
     
  6. Nick

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    OK, I'll start...

    I'm just glad one of these so-called "luxury cruise" amateur cattle-boat outfits doesn't operate the U.S. Navy, or the whole damn country might be at risk.

    Oh, wait a minute -- we are!
     
  7. klang

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    Was there ever any official word on what caused the fire on the Triumph?
     
  8. dpeters11

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    It was a leak in a fuel oil return line, but I don't think I've seen if anything in particular caused the leak.
     
  9. klang

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    I do remember reading that. I was curious if anything came up to support the claims of shoddy or undone maintenance.
     
  10. tsmacro

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    Not exactly what the cruise industry needs right now. Unfortunately most people keep seeing bad things on the news about problems on ships and they start thinking that it's a fairly normal occurance and that by going on one of those ships you putting yourself at undue risk. I still stand by saying that you're in more danger just doing your daily driving than by being on a cruise ship but no one is threatening to stop doing that. It was good to hear though that a Carnival ship did stop and stand by just in case they needed assistance, it's not all about competition and profit all the time folks. I've already got a cruise booked for 11 days in October on Carnival and it looks like we're making plans to book one on Royal Caribbean next year, looks like probably sometime in the Spring.
     
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    And as an example of something that just happened that goes along with the above post I copied and pasted the following from the blog of the cruise director of the Carnival Dream:

    Shortly after our departure from Port Canaveral, the Carnival Dream Bridge team received information from the US Coast Guard that there was a stranded vessel within close proximity to our ship. I was asked to report to the bridge and the Captain explained that we were going to be of assistance to a small boat that had experienced mechanical difficulty and was stranded not far off the coast of Miami.

    After making announcements to keep the guests informed about the change in course and the accelerated speed, the outer decks and bow of the ship lined with guests and crew interested in seeing how we could be assistance to another boat in need. It was a slightly windy evening and as we approached the stranded vessel, the Carnival Dream stopped in the water. The Captain and deck officers angled the ship in such a way that we could lower the tender boat in order to assist.


    We found out from the Coast Guard that the boat contained two gentlemen and they had been stranded for quite some time. Carnival Dream tender boat number 8 containing ships officers, medical staff and other technical personnel lowered into the water and traveled to assist these strangers in need. After arrival at “Terabyte” – the small boat - the Dream team members communicated to our officers that the two passengers were in good health and were experiencing mechanical difficulties when we came to the rescue. After relaying this message to our Dream guests – they applauded and cheered.

    Today – our first sea day – walking around with the Captain several guests thanked him and his team for saving the gentlemen’s lives. What our Captain, Deck and Engine Team, Security, Medical, and Guest Services team should be commended I think and it seems the guests all agree. Since the rescue, a coast guard cutter has pulled up to the Dream to ensure these traveling gentlemen get home safely. Much to the their disappointment – they did not receive a free cruise to Cozumel!

    Thanks for allowing me share.

    Thank you to Vuk our Training and Development Manager and our Photo Team for the incredible pictures.

    Looking forward to sailing with you soon.

    All the best,
    Jaime Dee
    Cruise Director
    Carnival Dream
     
  13. Laxguy

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    Nice, but merely follows centuries of practice on the high seas!
     
  14. tsmacro

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    True and a lot more typical than any of the issues they've been having lately. Since the news only likes to report the bad, just figured it'd be nice to share, otherwise people might have the impression that cruise ships are dangerous and don't contribute anything positive and I wouldn't be me if I didn't dispute that impression!
     
  15. Nick

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    Coming to the aid of stranded vessels/mariners on the high seas is more
    than just a nice seagoing tradition that dates back to a time when men first
    set sail. it is a legal obligation under international maritime law.

    It wasn't long ago that the U.S. Navy came to the aid of Iranian fishermen.
     
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  16. trh

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    We're sort of obligated after we shot one of their commercial airliners out of the sky.
     
  17. James Long

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    Totally unrelated. The obligation comes from being humane.
     
  18. Laxguy

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    And, as Nick mentioned, maritime law.
     
  19. dennisj00

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    The Royal Caribbean group has been quieter than a bunch of crickets. . .(maybe cicadas - it's not their year?)
     
  20. Tom Robertson

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    Keeping an open mind, I checked on the news release to see how special this was. Alas there isn't anything special about this. Each carrier gets one every year just for being part of the program. So while it's good they are doing their required duty, there's nothing special here worth hyping.

    Now, if this had been a 30 year award,that might have been worth a note. :)

    Peace,
    Tom
     

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