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Carnival Triumph (and other Carnival issues)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Feb 15, 2013 #61 of 226
    hdtvfan0001

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    Actually it's 1087' long and 208' wide...but who's counting. :lol:

    That's more than 3 football fields long and it's also taller in the water than the Statue of Liberty. Once onboard...you forget you're on a ship. There are tons of things to do...like anything...it's what one tries to make of what they have. You can ice skate, get on the flowrider, zipline, and much much more. In addition, between numerous things onboard...there are ports and excursions. Anything but boring.
     
  2. Feb 15, 2013 #62 of 226
    dpeters11

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    Or, on a small ship, this is one day of a cruise I hope to take one day:

    Thomas Bay
    Choose kayaking and a lush forest trek on a scenic rainforest trail, or go big on a roundtrip 11-mile hike to the glacially-fed and rarely visited Patterson Lake for spectacular kayaking in the meltwaters of Patterson Glacier. Discover the origin of its “Devil’s Country” nickname during a reading from “The Strangest Story Ever Told,” about the area’s mythical, shape-shifting creatures called Kushtaka.
     
  3. Feb 15, 2013 #63 of 226
    carl6

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    Wikipedia lied to me :lol:
    The one cruise I was on did not include ice skating (which I can't do anyway), flowrider, zipline (which I really did like the one time I did it, but the runs were much longer), ... It was fun. It was lazy, the food was great and endless, and one cruise was enough for me.
     
  4. Feb 15, 2013 #64 of 226
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    tsmacro

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    Should be interesting how this plays out. As has been pointed out Carnival (and every other cruise line for that matter) makes you sign something that says you can't sue them and that you cruise at your own risk essentially. That and I wouldn't be surprised that they also put something in place that says by accepting the refund, credit for another cruise and the $500 that you forfeit any further claims against Carnival. Now just because they have you sign those things doesn't necessarily make it true or enforceable, that'll be for a court to decide. The sad thing is people are probably going to get taken in by the lawyers now. You know they'll end up getting some class-action thing going then the law-firms will get a settlement with Carnival, the lawyers will turn around take their 50% cut for "expenses" and fees and then turn around and split the rest among the thousands of passengers who'll be lucky to get a couple hundred bucks each as their share. And the lawyers will try to make you feel better about it by telling you that you did a good thing by making Carnival pay for their negligence even if you didn't profit very much from it. Once again the people lose, the corporation loses and the lawyers win. There ought to be some kind of rule that says the lawyers can't make more than the people they represent.
     
  7. Feb 16, 2013 #67 of 226
    tsmacro

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    Also another thought here, there's been a lot of stories about how horrible it was for those poor passengers, but what about the employees? I mean come on if you think it was bad for the guests how about the people who are doing their damnedest to clean up an impossible mess and keep everyone fed and keep people from just flipping out. I'm glad I have heard quite a few people coming off the ship did praise the employees for the job they did. And you gotta know that the employees are stacked on top of each other like sardines in the deepest levels and corners of the ship so if you think it was bad for passengers just imagine how bad it was in their areas of the ship! And consider the majority of these employees are what most people in this country would be considered horribly underpaid. It wouldn't be inconceivable that under such trying conditions that the employees could've just said "screw this" and just quit, but by all reports they performed admirably. Nice to hear there was some good to come out of this and if Carnival cares about their employees at all they'll make sure this crew gets a nice fat bonus!
     
  8. Feb 16, 2013 #68 of 226
    hdtvfan0001

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    Indeed.

    It's common for passengers on a cruise to be asked to submit a gratuity for the various staff you interact with on the ship - the waiters, server assistants, room cleaning staff, luggage handling, and so on.

    The recommended amounts vary by ship but amount to a pittance of money. I've given more tip to one server at a high-end restaurant than they suggested for all the staff for a week's cruise in total.

    When you realize how little the staff gets paid, and that they have small quarters down below on the decks near the engines, storage, etc...it's both amazing to see the high quality service - and it leads to no hesitancy by many of us that cruise regularly to tip and tip well.

    On the Carnival Triumph....clear the staff on board went even far beyond their 12-18 hour days doing far beyond their duties.
     
  9. Feb 16, 2013 #69 of 226
    dpeters11

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    I've heard that some crew members make an average of $500 a month, and that is working 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week.

    I'm betting most passengers don't tip much.
     
  10. Feb 16, 2013 #70 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    The papers we sign which "absolve" other agencies from responsibility only go so far. They really only are meant to slow down trivial lawsuits. Insurance companies typically require them, knowing they are mostly worthless.

    The papers do nothing for the major "they screwed up" negligence in situations like this.

    Two things I think Carnival should have done: 1) put the CEO onboard to help out. 2) Use the local Mobile hotels. Busing everyone 2 hours was pure nuts. I'm guessing someone thought it would be "cool" to put everyone in New Orleans for a nite.

    As for the compensation plan, I don't know. I don't have a good sense of how much would be right.

    Peace,
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  11. Feb 16, 2013 #71 of 226
    Rich

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    How was that ship "not in danger"? If a storm had come up, what would they have done? Have you ever seen a storm at sea? Do you know what a ship does if it can't make "way"? Quite simply, it falls over. And that huge superstructure (that's the decks above the main deck) would act as a sail and if the wind was coming from port or starboard, the ship might even roll over.

    Even towing an unwieldy ship such as that is extremely dangerous. I truly think every person on that ship was in mortal danger.

    I don't care how big a ship is, I've seen carriers getting beaten up at sea and you don't find much bigger ships than those. And they're very seaworthy. Much more seaworthy than any cruise ship. If I had known CNN was covering the whole thing, I'd have watched it too.

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  12. Feb 16, 2013 #72 of 226
    tsmacro

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    The explanation I heard was they sent people to New Orleans for two reasons, one they had enough available hotel rooms and they had a big enough airport to handle 3000 people getting off the ship. Apparently that many people all hitting Mobile at the same time would've seriously over-taxed the available space and their airport.
     
  13. Feb 16, 2013 #73 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    I'm just judging by what Mobile's mayor said. I can see how either city could be overwhelmed. New Orleans has lots of rooms--and lots of tourists all the time. :)

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  14. Feb 16, 2013 #74 of 226
    Dude111

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    Yes well this could happen ON ANY SHIP which is scary!!

    I just cant believe the lawsuits!!!! -- THEY DIDNT DO THIS ON PURPOSE!!!!!
     
  15. Feb 16, 2013 #75 of 226
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    While this could happen on any ship as you state....Carnival already has a track record of it happening more than anyone else. Based on their longtime reputation of cheap and poor maintenance...it's not entirely surprising.

    As for the lawsuits...so far there's been only 1 reported. Bet there will be more.
     
  16. Feb 16, 2013 #76 of 226
    Rich

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    When you see a carrier getting smacked around by a storm it kinda puts things in perspective. One of the destroyers in my squadron lost a man overboard in a storm and the carrier we were with could not launch a helicopter. We watched that poor soul disappear after 16 minutes in the sea. With a life jacket on. Just gone.

    It is a scary place when a storm comes up. When a storm comes up and a ship is disabled it's gotta be downright terrifying. OK, a storm didn't hit and that's good, but suppose...

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  17. Feb 16, 2013 #77 of 226
    Chris Blount

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    The passengers on the Triumph don't have much of a leg to stand on as far as lawsuits since Maritime laws and ticket disclaimers come into play BUT, Carnival isn't totally out of the woods. If someone got physically hurt, that's a whole other story. That sort of lawsuit is winnable. Just because the cruise sucked isn't going to stand up in court.

    As far as the employees, they are screwed all around. If they make any waves whatsoever, they are fired and pretty much can't sue Carnival for anything.

    Whenever I cruise, I always tip them well for good service. The crew relies heavily on tips to make any sort of money. Carnival automatically adds the tips into the final bill which makes everything easier (other cruise lines do this as well). Any extra tips I give directly to the crew person.

    Last night 20/20 aired a special about the cruise lines. There was video from the Triumph when the cruise director was telling everyone to calm down over the PA system. It was the same cruise director we had on our trip in October. I easily recognized her voice. Her name was Sparkles. She was pretty good when we were on the ship. I kind of wonder how she handled this situation.

    We hit a storm front right at the end of our trip. Even under power, the Triumph was really rocking and tilting from side to side several degrees. I can only wonder what would happen if there was no power and no stabilizers. Scary to say the least.

    BTW, for some reason it really drives me nuts when people call the different levels on the ship "floors". They are DECKS for goodness sake. :mad: Whenever we cruise, I get on my wife about that. Whenever she says the "7th floor" I usually say "What's that?... oh you mean deck 7". LOL
     
  18. Feb 16, 2013 #78 of 226
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    Lighten up there Sparky. You threw in a lot of "what ifs". What ifs are irrelevant. A storm didn't blow in, the ship didn't sink, no one died. In your world everyone is in "what if.. danger". The reality was the ship was towed in safe, and everyone that boarded the ship disembarked very little worse for wear. Nothing much actually happened.
    I've seen many ships not underway and not tip over.
    Don't be such a drama queen.
     
  19. Feb 16, 2013 #79 of 226
    Nick

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    Also, those who refer to a listing ship as "tilting" or "leaning". The applicable nautical term is "listing"; as in 'the ship was listing to port (or starboard)'.
     
  20. Feb 16, 2013 #80 of 226
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    I have seen 500$ for compensation in the news, to me thats low. Delta gave me 500$ to get bumped to a flight two and a half houers later.
     

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