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Carriage fees

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by ciurca, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. Jan 6, 2011 #1 of 16

    ciurca Godfather

    Apr 14, 2009
    Is there a table of cable network costs per subscriber? We all read about carriage disputes, but it would be nice to see the costs layed out where it's easy to see what each one values itself at, compared to others.
  2. Jan 6, 2011 #2 of 16

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    There may be a ballpark overview available, but the contracts between providers and carriers is usually closely guarded.
  3. Jan 6, 2011 #3 of 16

    mws192 Godfather

    Jun 17, 2010

    Here you go:

  4. Jan 6, 2011 #4 of 16

    n3ntj Hall Of Fame

    Dec 18, 2006
    Do these costs for each channel per sub vary by provider (D*, E*, etc.)?

    I can't believe that ESPN gets so much ($4.58) per sub. I very rarely watch it.
  5. Jan 6, 2011 #5 of 16

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    I make up for your loss of viewership. I have ESPN or ESPN2 (or both sometimes) on 60% of the time I am watching tv.
  6. Jan 7, 2011 #6 of 16

    mws192 Godfather

    Jun 17, 2010
    They are industry averages. Some pay more, some less. Contracts are typically tiered where the price per sub goes up annually. That's why we get price hikes each year. It also means it's less likey that one provider is paying the exact same rate as someone else at any given time since people are at different stages of their current contracts.
  7. Jan 7, 2011 #7 of 16

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    ESPN is a very expensive channel, and it's pretty much in everyone's basic tier (part of their requirements I believe along with channel placement.)

    Personally I'd love to save the $4.50 or so, but I'd be kicked to the doghouse.
  8. Jan 7, 2011 #8 of 16

    mws192 Godfather

    Jun 17, 2010
    It's alot more than that.

    ESPN and ESPN2 (basic tier): $5.12
    ESPNews and ESPNU (typically one tier up from basic): $0.33

    ESPN Classic (sports tier): $0.18
    and ESPN Deportes (Spanish tier): $0.15
  9. Jan 7, 2011 #9 of 16

    photostudent Godfather

    Nov 8, 2007
    I did not realize they were that high. Why was everyone flipping about OWN asking for .21?
  10. BattleZone

    BattleZone Hall Of Fame

    Nov 13, 2007
    Sports programming is expensive (YOU are paying all of those expensive salaries), but it is also very popular, so people pay it.

    I'd be perfectly happy with a sports-less programming package, but I'm in the minority.
  11. KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    Because the channel was supposed to launch last year, it's a complete revamp of Discovery Health, and at the time they have yet to announce more than 3 shows that were going to air on it. Most providers rather just continue to pay what the terms on their Discovery Health contracts are and wait until that contract is finished so they see how it performs before they negotiate a price increase. (Not to mention Discovery and Harpo were also constantly renegotiating the ammount they had to invest in the channel over the past 2 years)

    As for the costs they're averages, not only is it different depending on the stage of their contract, some of them get discounts if they agree to carry more of their channels at a bulk rate instead of individually.
  12. BattleZone

    BattleZone Hall Of Fame

    Nov 13, 2007
    In a word? Ratings. Ratings largely = revenue, and in more ways than one.

    Discovery Health's fee was $.07. Oprah wants TRIPLE that price or more, but only has contracts for 3 shows. That means it's likely much of the schedule will be filled with "paid programming" (read: infomercials) that have zero ratings. Even if Oprah herself has 5 1-hour shows per week, that's a drop in the bucket compared to a week of 24-hour days. So she's asking to be paid 300-500% more than Discovery Health with a mostly-empty schedule. See the problem?

    And while Oprah had good ratings on a broadcast network, that doesn't necessarily mean she'll keep those ratings on a cable network. And her old broadcast network will surely try to put something juicy in her old slot to draw ratings away from her, as will her old competitors.

    TV programming is BUSINESS...
  13. JoeTheDragon

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    there has to be more to the Starz and Showtime prices listed there just seems to low to the price that people are billed for showtime.
  14. BattleZone

    BattleZone Hall Of Fame

    Nov 13, 2007
    That price is just for a single channel, not the whole "family" of channels. But, of course wholesale price is much cheaper than retail price...
  15. Satelliteracer

    Satelliteracer Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    Well, let's assume the old rate is $0.03 to $0.07 for that network (based solely on the article linked below...not saying what they are reportnig is accurate, but let's pretend) and now it goes up anywhere from 3X to 7X, that adds up to a lot of money a MSO has to pay out....millions and millions. You add those increases with retrans increases, increases from other programmers each year and you can see where a $3 to $4 increase happens each year (and sometimes that's not enough to cover the cost increases)

  16. JoeTheDragon

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    Fox Sports Net $2.37 is that the price for each one or a average of all the FSN's?

    Do area with more then FSN pay full price for each one or the sub feeds free with the main feed?

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