CBS All Access to become Paramount+ in 2021

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  1. Feb 10, 2021 #61 of 174
    espaeth

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    I hope Paramount+ does better than the poor quality an app glitchiness of CBS:AA. I've enjoyed subscribing through AppleTV channels not just because of the price, but the video/audio quality was noticeably better on much of the content.
     
  2. Feb 10, 2021 #62 of 174
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    When Paramount Plus launches on March 4, you can expect to pay $5.99 per month for limited commercials or $9.99 per month for the more premium option with no commercials while you stream your favorite shows and movies. There is also an annual option that saves you around 15 percent and costs $59.99 annually for the limited commercial option or $99.99 if you don’t want to be bothered with any ad breaks.

    Paramount Plus Release Date, Price And 4 Other Things We Know About The Streaming Service
     
  3. Feb 11, 2021 #63 of 174
    NashGuy

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    I think the writer of the article you cited was making an assumption. "You can expect to pay..." It's very possible that ViacomCBS keeps the current CBA AA pricing in place for Paramount+ but we don't know if they will because they have yet to officially announce pricing. See this article of three days ago. Key quotes:

    While the full streaming strategy for Paramount Plus will be revealed on February 24, 2021, including its price, we still know a fair amount about what's to come in terms of exclusive shows and its international rollout.

    Paramount Plus price: not yet revealed
    The Paramount Plus has not been revealed yet. CBS All Access as it stands costs $9.99 per month without ads, or $5.99 per month with ads. We'd expect to learn the price of the service on February 24, when that streaming strategy is made clear.
     
  4. Feb 11, 2021 #64 of 174
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    True but I sure don't expect the price to go lower than what CBS AA is at currently (with ads).
     
  5. Feb 11, 2021 #65 of 174
    techguy88

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    Only those who subscribed to HBO via The Roku Channel are being forced to cancel that subscription and sign up via the HBO Max app (either directly or through Roku's in-app purchase system.)

    Existing Apple TV Channels-HBO subscribers are grandfathered and keep access to HBO only content with HBO east & west linear feeds via Apple TV Channels and login to HBO Max with their Apple ID to access HBO Max. Apple no longer offers HBO on Apple TV Channels for new customers and once existing customers cancel it they can't go back. Apple customers wanting HBO Max now subscribe in-app and log into the app with the username & password they set up at sign-in or via their Apple ID.

    Amazon will keep selling Prime Video Channels-HBO subscriptions until their one year extension ends. Then Amazon will stop selling HBO via Prime Video Channels however current Prime Video Channels-HBO subscribers can log into the HBO Max app with their Amazon credentials.

    Unlike Disney+, HBO Max & Peacock which has resisted all forms of being part of the Channels eco-system, discovery+ will be added to Prime Video Channels later this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Discovery just caved in on Roku's ad-sharing revenue terms which was a sticking point for HBO Max & Peacock.

    As WarnerMedia has shown it's not that easy to do. Trying to launch a comprehensive streaming service tied to a traditional premium brand has its caveats. This is why HBO Max is priced at $14.99/mo because they can't go lower. It was the same caveat HBO Now had. They still haven't launched their ad-supported version and according to reports could mean select HBO content won't have ads (due to MVPD agreements) or some HBO content could be excluded. It is also rumored that the AVOD version would be around $8.99/mo which is on the high-end scale of AVOD streaming services when compared to Hulu, CBS All Access, Peacock Premium, etc.

    Given ViacomCBS was able to grow CBS AA and Showtime (streaming) at a quicker rate post-merger I feel they will keep the CBS AA pricing for Paramount+ which is $5.99 for limited commercials (in line with Hulu) and $9.99/mo for the Commercial Free plan (in line with Peacock Premium Ad-Free). We will find out for sure on February 24. I also feel this will be the case given they are offering 50% off a 12-month subscription of CBS All Access through March 3. (Use code: PARAMOUNTPLUS at checkout.) Which makes a year of Paramount+ $30 w/ads or $50 no ads. (Annual subscriptions for CBS AA are normally $60 w/ads and $100 no ads.)

    I also feel they may keep their direct to consumer bundling options the same since it is only a $1.99/mo savings:
    • CBS All Access (Limited Commercials) + Showtime bundle $14.99/mo
    • CBS All Access (Commercial Free) + Showtime bundle $18.99/mo
    This way they won't draw the ire of MVPDs like Comcast. Comcast was very vocal about Starz launching its streaming app in 2016 and pricing the service at $8.99/mo which was far lower than what MVPDs charge for Starz (and some StarzEncore).

    The 2019 Comcast-Starz dispute ended with Comcast removing most Starz/StarzEncore channels, reducing the add-on price to $8.99/mo and Lionsgate, Starz owner, licensing content to Peacock.

    While ViacomCBS is the Oprah of licensing content in the streaming age they don't want to put themselves into a position where Comcast & AT&T are wanting ViacomCBS to license them content for their own streaming services as part of a carriage agreement of their OTA, basic linear & premium linear services. ViacomCBS rather would keep its channel negotiations and its content licensing separate to maximize the dollar value it receives.
     
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  6. Feb 11, 2021 #66 of 174
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    Has anyone subscribed to CBS All Access with the Paramountplus discount? I wasn't that interested in CBS All Access, but we have been watching stuff off the Paramount app lately and the commercials are killing me. For $50, I thought about subscribing to CBS All Access so next month we could start watching the Paramount stuff commercial free. However, when I walked through the website, the price was still $9.99 a month and it didn't seem like it was going to apply a discount.
     
  7. Feb 11, 2021 #67 of 174
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    Yes, was aware of all that except the part I wasn't sure about was whether HBO-via-Apple TV Channels subs were still able to get HBO content inside the Apple TV app as before. Odd that that feature was grandfathered in. I wonder how long it will last (or frankly why Apple even sees it in their interest to continue).

    Oh, I don't think I had read about discovery+ getting added to Prime Video Channels. Yeah, I'd say Discovery caved on that, and likely caved on ad-revenue with Roku too, in order to get on both platforms at launch. Discovery is far smaller than Warner/AT&T and NBCU/Comcast and can't stand up to Amazon and Roku the same way.

    Obviously. Some have wondered why ViacomCBS didn't just go the route of morphing Showtime into "Showtime Max" (or absorbing Showtime into Paramount+, same end result) to create a single service with all of their OTT subscription content. HBO Max looks likely to pull it off over time but Showtime and the rest of Viacom/Paramount probably doesn't have the strength/brand loyalty/pricing power to make that happen.

    I don't really see any connection between the Comcast/Starz pricing dispute and direct-to-consumer bundle pricing for Showtime/Paramount+. (If we were talking about disparities in standalone pricing for either service direct-to-consumer vs. via Comcast, then maybe. Although it's worth noting that Showtime OTT costs $11/mo while Comcast still charges $12/mo for it.)

    Part of Starz's problem was that they're a small lone player and Comcast is a very big distributor. ViacomCBS is a pretty big player with the most-watched broadcast net, some of its key local affiliates, several popular basic cable channels, plus a popular premium a la carte service (which isn't sold as part of any Comcast channel bundles).

    It's certainly possible, even likely, that Paramount+ will retain the same standalone and Showtime bundle pricing that CBS AA already has. It's simply my opinion that they need to be a bit more aggressive in their pricing if they want to succeed long-term. And the short-term experiment that they entered into with Apple for deeply discounted bundle pricing suggests that ViacomCBS may be open to lowering their prices. They may even work deals with major cable operators like Comcast and Charter to support discount bundling of Paramount+ with Showtime. (So far, the bundling discount for CBS AA and Showtime has only been for direct-to-consumer sales/billing by ViacomCBS.)

    Many industry observers believe that the ultimate winners and losers of the streaming wars will be decided in the next 2-3 years. There's a lot of competition now and the rush is on for all these services to build up their subscriber bases and survive. Paramount+ looks, to me, like one of the weakest players.
     
  8. Feb 11, 2021 #68 of 174
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    Never mind, it looks like they auto-fill the paramountplus coupon code on the form, but don't apply it automatically. You have to hit the apply coupon button to get it to recognize the 50% off. I guess I was expecting the coupon code to be auto-applied when I started on the paramount site with an add that said click here to get this special.
     
  9. Feb 11, 2021 #69 of 174
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    CBS All Access (ad-free) streams fine on my Roku TV set. I trust it will continue when Paramount is added. I have been watching, among other items, old Perry Mason shows. The first season shows run 54 minutes when the commercials are taken out. New shows like "All Rise" run about 45 minutes without commercials.
     
  10. Feb 11, 2021 #70 of 174
    NashGuy

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    I recently learned that a lot of the classic series on CBS AA don't include ads even if you're on the lower-cost plan that includes ads. Not sure why. Just an FYI for anyone who plans to mainly watch old series (and/or your live local CBS station, which will always contain ads regardless of your plan), you may as well save the extra money and get the cheaper version.
     
  11. Feb 12, 2021 #71 of 174
    techguy88

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    I didn't have issues when I signed up yesterday for a year of the limited commercials plan. I did have to manually enter the coupon code and press the apply button.

    I mainly get CBS All Access for the Big Brother live feeds. Since three months of the limited commercials plan is $17.97 for 3 months (at $5.99/mo) the current deal was very good IMO plus during the live feeds there is no commercials lol.
     
  12. Feb 25, 2021 #72 of 174
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    Paramount+ information - New info announced on 2/24/21

    Cost (Additional info on new tiers)
    • Base - Ad-supported - $4.99/mo [Launches in June]
      • Includes access to live sports including NFL, CBS News on demand & CBSN, Paramount+ Originals, thousands of movies, 30,000 TV episodes & CBS shows on demand
        • Note: This tier will not include access to a live CBS station.
        • If you are currently subscribed to CBS All Access's Limited Commercials tier (at $5.99/mo or $59.99/yr) you will be grandfathered into that plan as long as you remain a Paramount+ subscriber. The price and features of that plan will not change (i.e. you keep access to your live CBS station.) This tier will remain available for new subscribers until the newer & cheaper Base tier launches in June.
    • Premium - Ad-free - $9.99/mo (formally CBS All Access' No Commercials tier)
    ViacomCBS will continue to sell Showtime and BET+ as individual services. Bundles will be made available but no specifics about those bundles was discussed. Internationally Showtime's content will be part of Paramount+. PlutoTV will remain as is and continue to be ViacomCBS' free ad-supported service.

    Movies
    ViacomCBS and Epix have expanded their partnership which currently sees Epix as the Pay-1 home of Paramount's theatrical films. Under a new, expanded agreement between the two parties will see most (not all) of Paramount Pictures' output receive a 90 day exclusivity window on Epix. After that window those films will be available on both Paramount+ and Epix. There will also be a lot of Paramount's theatrical films that will have their streaming premiere on Paramount+ first following their theatrical runs before Paramount+ and Epix shares the Pay-1 window. This deal also sees Paramount+ sub-licensing some of MGM's films for the streamer as well. This will allow Paramount+ to stream MGM's anticipated but long delayed Bond flick No Time to Die and other films. The new deal lasts until 2023.

    Paramount will shorten the exclusive theatrical window for their films down to 30 days for most tiles and 45 days for tentpole/blockbuster releases. The new Paramount-Epix deal allows ViacomCBS the flexibility to send two of its upcoming tentpoles Mission: Impossible 7 and A Quiet Place Part II to Paramount+ 45 days after their theatrical release.

    This makes Paramount the 4th major studio to alternate their theatrical distribution model. Disney is deciding the release method for their films on a case by case basis, Warner Bros. has their hybrid theatrical/streaming model for all of 2021 and Universal shortened their theatrical window down to 17 days for most films (tentpoles will stay theatrical exclusives for at least 30 days.)

    Originals
    Here is a list of all the originals coming to Paramount+. Notable ones will be Younger's final season will be exclusively on Paramount+ and VH1's RuPaul's Drag Race: All-Stars will move to Paramount+ exclusively starting with its sixth season. Nickelodeon will provide Paramount+ with a lot of children's programming. The television adaptation of the popular video game series Halo which was in development at Showtime will move to Paramount+.

    Here is a nice guide recapping all of Paramount+ from The Streamable.

    ViacomCBS is targeting to have 65-75 million streaming subscribers across all of its streaming services by 2024 with most of them on Paramount+. PlutoTV had 43 million monthly users in 2020 and the company is expecting that to grow to 100-120 million by 2024.
     
  13. Feb 25, 2021 #73 of 174
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    What happens with this?

    [​IMG] CBS All Access and Showtime
    CBS All Access and Showtime (Monthly)
    Renews Mar 25, 2021
     
  14. Feb 25, 2021 #74 of 174
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    Did you miss this part?

    "ViacomCBS will continue to sell Showtime and BET+ as individual services. Bundles will be made available but no specifics about those bundles was discussed. Internationally Showtime's content will be part of Paramount+."
     
  15. Feb 25, 2021 #75 of 174
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    I've been watching all this ViacomCBS hoopla with interest only because we've had CBS All Access no-ads since late 2016. I read the listings in yesterday's Deadline Hollywood article Paramount+ Programming: The TV Shows & Films That Will Stream On ViacomCBS Service. While many of the new-and-reprised shows sound potentially watchable the truth is I have a hard time organizing a schedule now and it looks like it's only going to get worse.

    Unscrambling the offerings coming from what are other Viacom channels -Comedy Central, Logo, Paramount Network, Pop TV, Smithsonian Channel, TV Land, VH1, the Nickelodeon Networks, the BET Networks, the Showtime Networks, the MTV channels and the CMT channels - will be interesting. I must admit I was startled and pleased to see that they are offering the last season of TV Land's "Younger" which we've watched from the beginning. All we have to do is live long enough to see it.

    All the information notwithstanding, I have no idea what's going to happen to the Apple TV bundle I subscribed to last August (see Apple TV+ Bundle: Get CBS All Access & Showtime for $9.99/mo with an Apple TV+ subscription). Peacock is still not available as a native app on my Amazon Cube and while I've set up the Google App workaround it's weird.

    Beyond worrying about the future of the Apple TV+ Bundle, I don't see any real difference for us other than getting acquainted with a new interface and putting up with any interface release failures.

    EDIT: Per Paramount+ ends CBS All Access, Showtime bundle on Apple TV+ "According to 9 to 5 Mac, that deal is no longer available through Apple TV, though existing subscribers still have access."
     
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    I just hope they keep the classics around for a while. I’ve been watching the original Mission Impossible, Hawaii 5-0 and Columbo. Gosh I sound old.
     
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  17. Feb 26, 2021 #77 of 174
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    That bundle is no longer available to new subscribers. Existing customers are grandfathered as long as they maintain the bundle subscription & Apple TV+.
     
  18. Feb 26, 2021 #78 of 174
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    That bit is for future bundles once Paramount+ is going.

    Due to them discontinuing the "Limited Commercials" tier and replacing it with the "Base" tier in June, Paramount+ probably will introduce a new set of bundles.
     
  19. Feb 26, 2021 #79 of 174
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    The question was what happens to the CBSAA/Showtime bundle after the transition. The quote clearly shows that they haven't said yet what the new bundles will be. Basically, the quote answers the question with "We don't know yet."
     
  20. Feb 27, 2021 #80 of 174
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    Glad to see that ViacomCBS took my advice on pricing for Paramount+. ;-)
     

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