CBS All Access to become Paramount+ in 2021

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  1. Mar 4, 2021 #101 of 174
    BrucePadgett

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    Oy vey. P+ wouldn’t accept my password, nor allow me to update. Tried to do this both on the app and website. So far I’ve been on hold with customer service for 90 friggin’ minutes. At least the app logo updated by itself. What a JOKE.
     
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    harsh

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    Amazon and Roku make their money through ad insertion/replacement. That's reportedly why it took/is taking so long to iron out their deals with new content providers.
     
  3. Mar 5, 2021 #103 of 174
    phrelin

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    Well, neither of the two suggestions above worked. At this point I'm not interested in in getting on hold with customer service since I don't watch on my computer. Maybe in the future.
     
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    I don't watch on my computer either but to activate my LG TV I had to login to paramountplus.com to enter the activation code.
     
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    billsharpe

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    Yes, that's essentially what the rep told me when I called to complain about not being able to log in. And I put the phone on speaker while on hold when I called so that I could do other work on my computer in the meantime.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2021 #106 of 174
    techguy88

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    All the streaming platforms (Apple TV, Amazon, Android/Google TV and Roku) take a cut of the subscription fees when the user subscribes via in-app purchases. Apple & Google are easier to work with since with video streaming services they will take 15% instead of their usual 30%. Apple also allows apps to block in-app sign-ups and purchases which is how Prime Video & Spotify get around Apple taking a cut of their subscription fees.

    Amazon & Roku are pretty die-hard about getting 30% cut on their platforms for streaming services in addition to a significant amount of the ad-inventory (if the service as an AVOD tier.) This is what usually leads to disputes.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2021 #107 of 174
    techguy88

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    The expanded movie catalog (as a result of their Epix deal) will hit in June. Right now it just has the same movie library CBS AA had with the exception of the new Spongebob movie. On the TV side of things they added a few new shows plus some new originals. Paramount moved the theatrical premiere of A Quiet Place: Part II to May 28, 2021 so that film should hit Paramount+ 45 days later on July 12, 2021 as long as that theatrical release date sticks.

    I fixed it hehe sometimes my wireless keyboard doesn't register when I press a key and I didn't notice it.
     
  8. Mar 6, 2021 #108 of 174
    NashGuy

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    Amazon and Roku are also more insistent on wanting services to be available as add-ons inside their own Prime Video and Roku Channel apps as opposed to being exclusively distributed through a service's own app, direct from the provider. That was a huge point of contention with the HBO Max standoff and I think it may have been an issue with Peacock too.

    Interestingly, Paramount+ is available via Prime Video Channels as Apple TV Channels, same as CBS AA before it, but it's not available as an add-on in The Roku Channel. And yet Roku added the Paramount+ app on launch day. That surprises me a bit.
     
  9. Mar 9, 2021 #109 of 174
    Andrew Sullivan

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    For some reason my go to category has been eliminated. "Latest Episodes". Seems like a no brainer to include this category for those that don't want to search for a specific show and see if the latest episode is not a re run. One week they're new and the next week they are re runs.
     
  10. Mar 9, 2021 #110 of 174
    phrelin

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    If you mean something like the CBS "Keep Watching" list on my Amazon Cube, on one day last week I couldn't get signed in to Paramount+ on the Amazon Cube. On Friday I watched some CBS shows on my Apple box.

    On Saturday morning I was able to sign in to Paramount+ on the Amazon Cube by authorizing it via my computer, but it did not have a "Keep Watching" list and seemed to have lost my entire history.

    Then I watched "CBS Sunday Morning" on the Amazon Cube a lo-and-behold the list reappeared but only showing "CBS Sunday Morning."

    So I assume this week on my Amazon Cube I'll have to find each show's listing and watch the next episode in order to get them back into the "Keep Watching" list. It is frustrating particularly since I don't see any real difference between the CBSAA app and the Paramount+ app.
     
  11. Mar 9, 2021 #111 of 174
    Andrew Sullivan

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    No, "Latest Episodes" listed in order what was on last night then the previous night and so on. For instance the only new showing last night on CBS was "Bob Loves Abishola". Every other show was a rerun. Using "Keep Watching" I had to scroll through the entire list of shows including those not on last night before I came across Bob Love Abishola which was the only show listing a March 8 date. "Latest Episodes listed all shows new on March 8 in order.
     
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    A perfect example is the lineup on CBS from 3/10. If you scroll through Keep Watching it lists SWAT latest episode as 3/10 but unlisted is Seal Team which was also a new episode on 3/10. Whereas when they had a Latest Episode Catagory both would have been listed. It makes no sense that they have eliminated the Latest Episode catagory.
     
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    I have been watching B-Positive on CBS AllAccess. Last Friday I got an email from Paramount+ telling me a new episode was available. That's the first email I have ever received about available programs.
     
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    Ah, got it. "Latest Episodes" listing was effectively useless for me, particularly this year as I decided not to watch shows immediately on release as in most cases the pandemic caused disrupted shooting schedules. All I need is the next unwatched episode.
     
  15. NashGuy

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    Wonder what the bundle deal for Showtime and Paramount+ will be? To really be competitive with the market, IMO they should include the upcoming basic $4.99 tier of P+ for free when you subscribe to Showtime at its regular $11/mo price, and let you upgrade to the ad-free premium tier of P+ for an extra $5 ($16/mo total). I doubt that they'll be that generous/aggressive with their pricing but they probably need to if they want to grow both services.
     
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    I signed up for the Paramount+ pre-release half price for a year deal. Intended to get the commercial-free tier, but must have clicked the wrong button and instead ended up with the "limited ad" version. Can upgrade to the ad-free version but will lose the half price deal. Aw nuts! The ads aren't near as bad as the broadcast versions, usually only a max of 90 seconds, but not what I intended. And of course, these are unskippable, unlike ads on my DVRed broadcast recordings. Guess I'll be putting up with ads for a while.
     
  17. techguy88

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    So far the pricing is the same as with CBS All Access. You can add Showtime to an existing Paramount+ account but it has to be on the monthly plan (can't add Showtime through Paramount+ on a yearly plan.) Or if you are a direct Showtime subscriber you can add Paramount+ to Showtime. This may change slightly when the $4.99 tier launches later this year, but for now here are the bundles available:
    • Paramount+ Limited Commercials (LC) & Showtime - $14.99/month - Showtime content no commercials, Paramount+ content limited ads except for movies are commercial free.
    • Paramount+ Commercial Free (CF) & Showtime - $18.99/month - All content commercial free except linear feeds in Paramount+ and select programs.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the $14.99 bundle drops to $13.99 when they introduce the cheaper P+ AVOD tier without a CBS local station.

    Other than that I'm not expecting much change here unless ViacomCBS feels the need to compete with HBO Max's planned AVOD tier. It is possible, but extremely unlikely, ViacomCBS will drop the P+ LC & Showtime bundle to match HBO Max's AVOD tier while dropping the P+ CF & Showtime bundle to $14.99/month to compete with HBO Max Commercial Free.
     
  18. NashGuy

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    Whether they "feel the need" or not, they clearly are competing with HBO Max (as well as Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, etc.). But it doesn't look to me like ViacomCBS is really serious about being one of the few survivors left standings when the dust clears in the streaming wars. Which calls to mind this analysis I recently read:

    What if Paramount+ Is Just an Asset in a Future ViacomCBS Sale?

    The story ends with:

    ...as currently constructed, it’s difficult to see Paramount+ thriving. But perhaps that isn’t ViacomCBS’ primary goal long-term.

    “My hypothesis is that they’re just trying to position themselves to be sold,” Offenberg said. “If you’re serious about becoming an SVOD force, then allowing Showtime, BET+ and Noggin to continue as separate services doesn’t make a lot of sense. What they’re doing feels to me like an attempt to keep legally separate entities and make the transaction to negotiation, process, and close much easier for a future sale.”
     
  19. phrelin

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    Sure, ViacomCBS might choose to sell all or pieces of the company at some point. But keep in mind its history and viewership.

    On February 17 the LA Times article CBS dominates primetime ratings with ‘NCIS,’ ‘60 Minutes’ and ‘The Equalizer’ reported:

    CBS had each of last week’s five most popular primetime programs, topped by “NCIS,” to finish first in the network race for the fourth consecutive week and sixth time in the 21-week-old 2020-21 television season.

    “NCIS” averaged 9.75 million viewers to be the highest-rated program for the second time in three weeks, according to live-plus-same-day figures released Wednesday by Nielsen. “NCIS” is the only entertainment program to finish first in the weekly ratings this season.

    “60 Minutes” was the only other primetime program between Feb. 8 and Sunday to average more than 9 million viewers, averaging 9.438 million viewers. The time-slot premiere of “The Equalizer” that followed was third for the week, averaging 8.212 million viewers. “FBI,” which followed “NCIS,” was fourth for the week, averaging 7.729 million viewers. “Young Sheldon” was fifth, averaging 7.599 million viewers, most among comedies.​

    It represents a focus in that CBS All Access (CBSAA) seemed almost like a "we've got to do this" move when CBS All Access was launched on October 28, 2014.

    Historically in streaming, we tend to focus on Netflix. But Hulu - a joint venture between Fox's News Corporation, NBC Universal, Providence Equity Partners, and later ABC owner The Walt Disney Company - launched for public access in the United States on March 12, 2008, and by early in 2010, Hulu chief executive Jason Kilar said the service had made a profit in two quarters and that the company could top $100 million in revenue by summer 2010, more than its income for all of 2009.

    Ironically in January 2006 the CBS Corporation and Viacom split just two years before Hulu first aired. They re-merged December 4, 2019, giving CBSAA access to extensivev cable programming. CBSAA was the last broadcast network entry in the streaming business and Paramount+ is the last expanded streaming service, incorporating cable channel programming.

    But CBS still has an extremely strong presence in broadcast TV. Yes, at the end of 2010, 105 million U.S. households watched television through a traditional cable or satellite TV subscription while in 2020 only 84 million households still use traditional cable or satellite TV and in 2019 one in three (29%) TV content viewers 18+ report owning an antenna and one in four (24%) actively uses an antenna to watch TV on at least one TV in their home. But those are still significant numbers and CBS still has significant sports and related programming on top of having the most watched nighttime shows. And CBSAA launched offering live local CBS channels which continues in Paramount+.

    Can Paramount+ compete? CBSAA was rebranded as Paramount+ on March 4, 2021, just 12 days ago. They offer programming from the following channel groups: BET, Comedy Central, MTV, Nickelodeon, and Smithsonian Channel. Will they find a way to offer Showtime in a package? Who knows? Right now we're seeing pricing experiments across the streaming media sector. It's very early in the game.

    The real unknown is the role of advertising and the viewing habits of the population as it ages. And these things will be changing.
     
  20. dod1450

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    I was paying cbs all access commercial free. Now that cbs all access is part of paramount. Why am I seeing commercials?


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