CBS and FOX stations removed from DirecTV in Raleigh, NC area

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  1. KyL416

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    Right now U-Verse TV subscribers are on a seperate contract for many things. As each contract comes up for renewal they'll make it apply to both and they'll have greater power next time they're up for renewal.

    i.e. Tribune's contract with U-Verse was up for renewal last year, while the deal they made applied to both DirecTV and U-Verse, only U-Verse subscribers were in danger of having their channels dropped.

    It also applies more to national channels and broadcasters with a lot more channels. In this case their parent company only owns 3 channels, 2 in Raleigh and 1 in Wilmington, so there isn't that much of a difference in how many subscribers are affected when you add U-Verse TV, compared to when they're dealing with a company that has stations in major markets like Chicago or LA.
     
  2. slice1900

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    That's true - they will have more leverage to get better prices from national providers. Local providers are a different animal, and rely on on the three year olds' strategy of "going home and taking the ball with them".

    Though you really can't blame them too much. It isn't greed on their part, the big four networks are charging locals more and more money for their rights to carry network programming, so the local stations have to raise their rates to make up for it. The networks need more money because of 1) lower ad rates (all us "freeloaders" with DVRs skipping commercials) and 2) paying more for rights, mostly sports rights.
     
  3. RunnerFL

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    FCC has no say in that.
     
  4. Whiskey River

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    This is getting out of control, Do they think we will keep paying more and more and more and more and more and more!
    sooner or later we-us the customers are going to stop paying for mostly crap programming that is being shoved down
    our throats. They need to abolish retransmission fees entirely, Then they actually have to have decent programming
    for us to keep watching their channels. I am so tired of paying for channels I DONT WATCH ! They hold us hostage
    and make us pay to keep their empires going. Its almost as bad as paying taxes. I would love to drop 90% of the
    channels I don't watch to save $50 bucks off my bill, but that will never happen.

    Go CANADA ! - no retransmission fees and now a la carte programming available !
     
  5. MysteryMan

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    If you're that unhappy what's stopping you from relocating to Canada?
     
  6. KyL416

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    Except for that small part where the 3 conglomerates (Bell, Rogers, Shaw) own nearly all of the commercial stations, while local independents either folded or became province-wide simulcasts of the station in a bigger city. (It would be like if one news outlet covered the local news for a region from Baltimore to Maine, but only focused on NYC, Philly and Boston and ignored every other city in between)

    Or even worse, they were forced to do what CHCH in Hamilton did this past December after the local TV fund was eliminated, severely cut back on local news, fired most of their news staff, and now fill much of its schedule with public domain movies and 20/20 reruns since the conglomerates outbid them for most US network shows and put whatever they can't schedule on their OTA networks on their sister cable channels...

    As for CBC, their budget literally is based on how much the ruling party hated them, the result? They lost the rights to their famous Hockey Theme to Bell and TSN, and most recently they lost Hockey Night in Canada to one of the conglomerates. (fun fact, when you're watching Hockey Night in Canada, you're not watching the CBC, you're watching a seperately licensed network owned by Rogers who's sole purpose is to air Hockey Night in Canada since Rogers now gets all ad revenue from the HNIC broadcasts on the CBC). And if you don't live in one of the big cities, you can't even get CBC over the air anymore, their entire repeater network was shutdown during the digital transition to cut costs while local news was scaled back.



    And you want to know what a la carte is resulting in? Every niche station immediately filed with the CRTC to remove the content clauses from their license so they can appeal to a general audience. There's also a class of stations which must be offered by all providers, unlike here where if a la carte were to happen, there's no guarantee your favorite station would be carried by your provider. (Not to mention the costs, many channels are cheap because their operation costs are subsidized by their more popular sister station, like Nicktoons and TeenNick are only about 10 cents each because of Nickelodeon, but you'll never be able to get them at that price if you don't have Nickelodeon first)

    Oh and if you think broadband caps are bad, you'll be in for a rude awakening up in Canada... And since everything needs to be CRTC licensed up there, if you want to cut the cord, you won't have a bunch of free OTA subchannel networks available, while Netflix's library is limited because Bell's CraveTV and Rogers/Shaw's Shomi has the exclusive streaming rights to many shows and movies.
     
  7. lgb0250

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    Don't think I'd take bets on this being resolved quickly! Since WRAL is only going to be the local CBS affiliate for approx 40 more days I don't see the huge incentive to get this resolved ASAP! Wondering how this could possibly affect our NBC telecast 40 days from now? If Directv cannot negotiate a contract with CBC for the CBS shows, how will that impact the NBC shows when CBC gets them? Now throw in Media General as the owner of WNCN, how does that affect current contracts?

    Lots of moving parts here!
     
  8. fleckrj

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    I think you are confusing CBS and NBC with WRAL and WNCN. CBS, NBC, and WNCN have nothing to do with the negotiations. The negotiations are between Capitol Broadcasting and DirecTV, and it is Capitol Broadcasting, the owner of WRAL and WRAZ, that pulled their stations from DirecTV. The only way that the switch of the networks has any impact is on the value DirecTV perceives WRAL as having. In my view, a CBS station is worth more than an NBC station. If the situation is not resolved by Feb 28, then we will be still be able to watch WNCN and not be able to watch WRAL. The impact on the networks is that we will once again see CBS (but now on WNCN) and we will no longer see NBC (because it will be on WRAL).

    Have you noticed that while WRAZ is also owned by Capitol Broadcasting and has been pulled from DirecTV, almost all of the discussion has centered around WRAL. That is because more people care about CBS than they do about FOX.
     
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    It is NBC that is the third tier network. Even when WNCN was owned and operated by NBC, WNCN was far below what WTVD and WRAL were. Once NBC moves to WRAL and CBS moves to WNCN, I think you will see a big improvement in WNCN, and WRAL will slip to the third tier (just as WRAZ is a fourth tier station, because, even though they have the same management as WRAL, they are a FOX affiliate).

    NBC was the top network until 1974. Between 1974 and 1981, it fell to the bottom. It had a brief revival from the mid 80s through the late 90's, but since about 2000, it has been on a consistently downward spiral.
     
  10. lgb0250

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    I might be a little confused, nothing new there. But, since CBC owns the rights to negotiate a new agreement for WRAL, what happens in 40 days when they get the NBC shows! Do we then get back the CBS shows albeit on WNCN and then lose our NBC shows because they are on WRAL versus WNCN? Does CBC cave at this point because they no longer have the better network affiliation? Does Media General get to negotiate a new agreement with Directv because they are going to be carrying CBS versus NBC programming? Do they attempt to play hardball like CBC has? Hopefully it will all be mute by then but for 40 days I just don't see the rush on either side to negotiate a new deal. Could be the reason there was no advance notification blitz like in previous negotiations. There is nothing on FOX (currently) that garners my interest. But then again, with my AM21 I can still watch whatever I want. I bought the AM21 many years ago for the rain fade problem. Now that that has gotten much better I realize how valuable it still is in circumstances like this.
     
  11. fleckrj

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    Yes. Until CBC and DirecTV come to an agreement, we will not get WRAL on DirecTV regardless of with which network WRAL is affiliated.

    WRAL had the right of first refusal to renew their agreement with CBS and elected to terminated their affiliation with CBS and become an NBC affiliate effective Feb 28. Subsequently, WNCN signed the agreement with CBS that WRAL had declined, so on Feb 28, NBC will move to WRAL and CBS will move to WNCN.

    Which channels are on DirecTV depends solely on the contracts between DirecTV and the individual stations. DirecTV will still get WNCN and still will not get WRAL (assuming Capitol Broadcasting and DirecTV do not reach an agreement between now and then), so as of Feb 28, we will get CBS on WNCN and we will not get NBC on DirecTV.
     
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  13. bill buckner

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    Stations are back on Directv.
     
  14. fleckrj

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    So they were dark for less than 46 hours, or about 2 hours less than 2 days. When Capitol Broadcasting had their latest dispute with DISH, the CBC channels were dark from about 6:55 PM on Dec 22, 2014 until about 9:10 PM until January 6, 2015, or about 2 hours more than 15 days.
     
  15. slice1900

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    To be fair, with that dispute happening over the holidays it makes sense it would take longer to resolve.
     
  16. fleckrj

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    On the other hand, both sides knew when the contract ended, and CBC could have granted DISH an extension like they did DirecTV. The DirecTV contract ended on Dec 31, but CBC did not pull the channels until Jan 18. I do not know when the DISH contract ended with respect to when the channels were pulled, but there would have been no reason for holidays to have an impact on how long the channels were off DISH.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    Why on earth do you think that had anything to do with it? I don't think that has any affect.
     

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