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CBS lies again about Rudolph Being in HD, Again

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by BWELL316, Dec 2, 2009.

  1. cygnusloop

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    It was broadcast in ATSC 1080i 16:9 in my market. Part of that widescreen frame was black bars used to retain the original aspect ratio.

    And, at least via my affiliate, it looked fantastic. The detail in the clothing, and in the reindeer fur was really good.

    The audio had some kind of matrix effect on it (the DD 5.1) that spread it around the sound field. Unlike the the original Grinch that was on (I think) ABC earlier this week. It was pure mono coming out of the center speaker only. Not sure which I prefer.
     
  2. Dave

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    Does anyone but a (5) year old or younger care if the fuzzy little rein deer is in HD? Or just in the stretch HD mode? HD is want it is on some programs. I can't beleive anyone would worry about HD for a (5) year old. Just my opinion of course. HD is not always 16x9.
     
  3. bonscott87

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    Well, it actually was broadcast in 16x9 but the black bars were added because the original was 4x3 aspect ratio.
     
  4. Indiana627

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    We recorded "Snoopy, Come Home" on ABC Family HD channel for our daughter and I was amazed that besides the opening and closing credits, they had zoomed in and made it 16x9 HD. This was made in 1972 and it looks very, very good.
     
  5. Hutchinshouse

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    I’ll be watching this with the kids tonight. Looks tenfold better than when I was a kid. I remember watching Rudolph on our 13” B/W TV. The channel knob was broke. We had to use pliers to change the channel.
     
  6. paulman182

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    I'd wonder what was missing out of the part of the image the zooming removed.
     
  7. trainman

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    Sherman...
    Anything that was originally on film will look good in HD if they go back to the film to create a new HD master (as opposed to attempting to "upconvert" an SD videotape). "Snoopy, Come Home" was originally a theatrical release, so there are no doubt some film prints floating around.

    However, as paulman182 alluded to: it was probably originally in a 1.85:1 aspect ratio, so they would have had to crop the picture to fit it exactly onto a 16x9 TV screen without black bars. Not something unique here, unfortunately: a lot of movies being shown in HD are cropped to 16x9, even on the premium channels.

    (All the "Peanuts" animation was most likely shot with a film camera -- at least up until recent years with the advent of computers -- but I wouldn't be surprised if the original film elements the TV specials are gone; heck, the animators may have gotten rid of the film right after doing the "telecine" conversion to videotape. Thus, they wouldn't be able to upgrade "A Charlie Brown Christmas" and the rest to HD in the way they can for the "Peanuts" theatrical releases.)
     
  8. olguy

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    I don't know how accurate this is but according to IMDB Snoopy was originally 1.33 : 1

    Snoopy Come Home (1972)
     
  9. Indiana627

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    The opening and closing credits of Snoopy, Come Home as aired on ABC Family HD were 4x3 with pillar bars presumably because if they zoomed in to make these scenes 16x9 then some of the names would have got cut off. After the opening credits, it goes to 16x9, then reverts to 4x3 for the closing credits.
     
  10. trainman

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    Sherman...
    That may be right -- guess the animators didn't see a need (or weren't making enough on the movies) to upgrade their equipment to handle widescreen.

    Then it's interesting that ABC Family, or whoever they got the video from, cropped the top and bottom to make it 16x9 instead of stretching it.
     
  11. Tom Servo

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    One of the HD channels is showing HH and it fills the 16x9 screen. Is it cropped or did they find the original film masters and bring back the full 16x9 frame?

    I noticed that episodes of Knight Rider on Universal were 16x9 as well, and the way action was framed it seemed like it was shot for 4:3 and there was some extra padding around that was newly exposed.

    :confused:

    I know one thing, I am really disappointed at ABC Family if they zoomed in on the Snoopy program. I thought they were one of the good channels that always showed 4:3 stuff properly. :(
     
  12. Indiana627

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    I'd rather they zoom in instead of stretching it like HGTV or TBS.
     
  13. Tom Servo

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    I'd rather everything be present in original aspect ratio, whether it be 4:3 video or CinemaScope. ;)
     
  14. Indiana627

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    I agree, but of the choice of zooming or stretching if the network is not going to do OAR, I'll take zooming so at least I don't get nauseous.
     
  15. Tom Servo

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    You already have that option on your DirecTV receiver, and in many cases on the TV too. ;)
     
  16. Indiana627

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    Yeah, but much better PQ when done at the source instead of by the DVR or TV.
     
  17. Tom Servo

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    I'm not so sure I agree. When they mess with the aspect ratio they're introducing irreparable damage to the picture. By leaving black bars on the side of 4:3 OAR in theory the smaller picture would look better because the black bars require hardly any space in the bandwidth.
     
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    I cannot change the aspect ratio on HD channels on my DVR. The DVR only changes SD channels.
     

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