CBS stations pulled from Dish Network in contract dispute (for less than 12 hours)

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  1. Dec 6, 2014 #41 of 122
    rocat1997

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    Glad my vip722 has 30sec skip function. I never watch anything live. Even sports. I hate commercials. It would be one thing if their was only minute or 2. But some go 5 mins or more. Especially channels like AMC.


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  2. Dec 6, 2014 #42 of 122
    James Long

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    One can also set a timer for the program which places the program with the regular recordings and leaves it there until deleted. I have timers set for the PTAT programming I actually watch.
     
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  3. Dec 6, 2014 #43 of 122
    James Long

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    The situation is more complicated than that. One would need to look at ALL of the influences year to year and take everything into account.

    What was in the news in November of 2013? CNN tends to do better when there is breaking news ... they are a "go to network" for people who don't watch the news and don't have a regular "I watch this channel every day" type of news channel. Shockingly enough, NEWS is the best thing for CNN's ratings. They tend to overuse the "Breaking News" banner - but that is why a large part of their audience tunes in. Something happened and the non-news junkies tune in to find out what is going on.

    Nothing happens in a vacuum. If being off DISH helped CNN's ratings Turner could simply cut the feed. :)
     
  4. Dec 6, 2014 #44 of 122
    PCampbell

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    So how do you count eyeballs? more like a guess to me. At times we have the TV on and nobody is looking at it. Big game on but bad weather the sports bar may be empty.
     
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    James Long

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    All ratings are a guess ... just like poll results. A small sample is taken and the total is interpreted based on the results of the poll or survey. As long as the purchasers of the results accept the answers the ratings are valid.

    For TV ratings they use "people meters" that register who or if someone is watching. I do not have one in my home ... so they don't know who is watching what on my TV - but they can make an educated guess based on people who do have the meters and other families who are part of the reporting system.
     
  6. Dec 6, 2014 #46 of 122
    mwdxer

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    Looks like they are back as I am getting WSBK 38 again. Are the CBS O&O's back too? I don't live in an area with any CBS O&O.
     
  7. Dec 6, 2014 #47 of 122
    tampa8

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    Ummm, no. Some of CNN's lowest ratings happened during the dispute. It's no coincidence they agreed to be back on DISH with no agreement in place within a few days of ongoing low ratings.

    "Monday’s 9pm ET timeslot on CNN drew 181,000 total viewers, the lowest for the time period since at least Oct. 1, 1991, as far back as Nielsen electronic records go." The date of this was November 13th.
    You have it backwards, FOX may not be desperate for DISH viewers but CNN is desperate for any viewers.

    http://www.hangthebankers.com/cnn-plummets-to-lowest-ratings-in-23-years/
     
  8. Dec 6, 2014 #48 of 122
    Willh

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    now that CBS and Dish reached a deal, now we can resolve the other disputes as in reach long term deals

    Time Warner's Turner Broadcasting Systems, Nexstar Broadcasting and also Comcast/NBCUniversal's Comcast Sports Network RSNs are the only known disputes left to resolve to reach long term deals

    Turner agreed to end the 1 month blackout of CNN, CNN en Espanol, HLN, Cartoon Network/Adult Swim, Boomerang TruTV, and Turner Classic Movies while avoiding a blackout of TNT and TBS.

    meanwhile the CSN RSNs reached a short term agreement a few days ago to avoid blackout for now.

    and not to mention, i'm sure there's more disputes that could be coming in the coming months that we don't know of yet,

    sure we are gonna get it in the A** unlubed, but at least we got our channels back.
     
  9. Dec 6, 2014 #49 of 122
    tampa8

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    So what are you saying to DISH, just pay what the programmers want and have no more disputes?
     
  10. Dec 6, 2014 #50 of 122
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    Directv receivers are part of the Neilsen ratings.

    DirecTV says Nielsen to measure its viewership




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    LOS ANGELES, July 28 (Reuters) - Satellite television service DirecTV, said on Monday that Nielsen Media Research, which charts audience viewing, will begin measuring viewership of advertiser-supported channels on the DirecTV system. In a statement, El Segundo, California-based DirecTV said having Nielsen monitor and publish viewer ratings for its channels should help boost its sales efforts because doing so will give advertisers a better idea of viewing habits of DirecTV subscribers. ...
     
  11. Dec 6, 2014 #51 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    ROFLMAO

    You pick out 1 Hour during a 4 week/672 hours that has its low ratings BECAUSE OF A PROGRAM CHANGE, not a Cable Disruption.

    Furthermore, in that CNN 9 p.m. hour, which features a rotation of original series and occasionally an extended hour of “Anderson Cooper 360,” beat MSNBC's Rachel Maddow in the demo.

    CNN was up 34% from a year prior over the ENTIRE PERIOD and 55% IN DEMO - not 1/678 of the RATING PERIOD

    That is all CNN cares about - not finding a needle in a haystack.

    And let me give you a more credible source than "hangthebankers.com"

    http://www.thewrap.com/cable-news-ratings-a-november-to-remember-for-megyn-kelly-don-lemon/
     
  12. Dec 6, 2014 #52 of 122
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    That's really quite confusing, specifically "DirecTV said having Nielsen monitor and publish viewer ratings for its channels should help boost its sales efforts."

    The "Nielsen ratings" generally discussed in the press still only involve the "Nielsen homes" described by Wikipedia as follows:

    Advertisers still resist paying for time-shifted viewing beyond "live+same day" though some do give credit for C-3 ratings (viewing of commercials-only, not the show, for up to three days).

    The Nielsen folks have expanded to cover internet viewings and even testing out social media numbers. But advertisers are very conservative in what they will pay the networks for. That means the networks and others aren't willing to pay the costs for creative broader data gathering.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2014 #53 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    The meters require the all members of the Nielsen Household to press a button when in the room and continue to press it every so often. Otherwise, it is assumed they are not in the room.

    The random sample is chosen according to very strict guidelines to provide a balanced sample. Respondents are chosen by Address and Nielsen goes out of their way to contact the Household at that address and try to get them to participate in the sample. And yes, the metered households are compensated as equipment has to be connected to all their Televisions for viewing.

    The meters can tell what you are watching and when you are watching. For example, if you are watching The Big Bang Theory from a DVR, it knows which Big Bang Theory you are watching, that it was recorded at 8PM and you are watching it 3 days later, Sunday a 10AM.

    Obviously, the Fast Overnight Numbers available the next day do not include viewing after 3AM that morning.

    However, DVR usage is not a high as most people believe. Every study has seen that. In a 3rd Quarter Study released last week of over 300,000 Americans found the Average time watching live TV a day is roughly 4:30 while the average time watching a DVR daily is roughly 30 minutes. Live TV was down about 14 minutes and DVR time was up 4 minutes. This is in line with other studies.

    There are roughly 1000 Metered HOUSEHOLDS (which obviously can contain multiple people in a Household) in NYC and LA that are connected to Electronic Meters recording virtually every second of viewing to roughly 400 Metered HOUSEHOLDS in Oklahoma City.

    As thus, out of household viewing is NOT accounted for in the Overnight Ratings.

    Nielsen experimented in 2 markets this year using a Personal People Meter that is similar to an beeper that each Panel member wears which detects a watermark in TV Channels and Radio Station to register when someone is viewing. That does work at Home, Office and in a Bar. This is the same system that Radio has used in the Top 48 Markets since roughly 2010 with a larger panel.

    That way there is no button to push. If you can hear the TV Audio, you are considered viewing. If you walk out of the room, you are not.

    This was a test only and has not implemented, but it is expected it probably will in the future.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2014 #54 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Did not say that being off HELPS ratings.

    But it did prove that being off DISH did NOT NEGATIVELY EFFECT THE RATINGS and "screw the advertisers" as most on this forum have contended.

    Furthermore, MSNBC which was substituted on DISH for the CNN Blackout took a HIT even with more potential viewers.

    So all the blanket statements about how a Channel is hurt by a blackout have no basis in fact.

    And the advertisers still get the audience they contracted for - so they do not get screwed either.

    The Dish subs are the only ones that end up getting screwed.
     
  15. Dec 6, 2014 #55 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Why is that confusing. And isn't this a Dish Forum?

    DirecTV with roughly 18% of the USA TV Households already has families in the sample that use DirecTV as an MVPD.

    Nielsen has been trying to sell local spots in markets now for about 2 years.

    If the DirecTV viewers are broken out from the overall sample, DirecTV can show potential advertisers what type of ratings it can deliver in the market and try to sell advertising in that market.

    Likewise, they can use national numbers for selling National Ads in the local breaks. So instead of seeing ads promoting shows on other DirecTV channels - or PPV movies (or HBO as their contract calls for certain marketing levels from DirecTV - see different thread), DirecTV would try to sell those National Slots as well, where once again, posting assures that the proper GRP were obtained for the campaign.
     
  16. Dec 6, 2014 #56 of 122
    James Long

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    Including the blanket statement you are making now? :rolleyes:
    Most blanket statements have some basis in fact. The person making the statement may not have come to a correct conclusion based on the facts they saw. But most people have a grain of fact somewhere that they use as a basis.
     
  17. Dec 6, 2014 #57 of 122
    James Long

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    If it makes it easier to discuss, DISH also monitors viewing habits (without identifying the customers). On the newest receivers they share their results with the subscriber base by providing a "What's Hot" feature. The top program in my market at the moment is Ohio St vs Wisconsin (FOX) followed by It's a Wonderful Life (NBC) and Florida St vs Georgia Tech (ABC). Nationally Florida St vs Georgia Tech is #1 followed by Ohio St vs Wisconsin. Mr Stewart's movie is in seventh nationally.

    Does Nielson use numbers from DISH, DirecTV and other sources that do not include demographics? From the wording of DirecTV's press release it sounded like DirecTV used those numbers internally to sell advertising on DirecTV. DISH would do the same (on channels where they are permitted to sell ads).
     
  18. Dec 6, 2014 #58 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Data without Demo is useless.

    Nielsen's sample is very scientific in nature. Research is only as good as the sample (as seen in some election polls) and Nielsen spends an extraordinary amount on designing the sample.

    If they were to let Dish or DirecTV dump all the data from their subs in, it would skew the sample with a number of unknown variables that may or may not be representative of the Nation as a whole.
     
  19. Dec 6, 2014 #59 of 122
    James Long

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    Which gets us back to what was stated before ... Nielson does their surveys for the national figures given (with their sampling providing an educated guess as to what is going on outside of the monitored sample). DISH, DirecTV and other collectors use their data for their own sales efforts.
     
  20. Dec 6, 2014 #60 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    No, there are daily numbers for all channels on a local level as well.

    Also, it is an Estimate, which is alot more than a guess.

    It can be proven statistically valid because of the care taken in the sample design to represent the total universe (sample).
     
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