CBS stations pulled from Dish Network in contract dispute (for less than 12 hours)

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  1. Dec 6, 2014 #61 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    There were muliple statement in this thread and the Turner thread that the Blackout hurt Advertisers because of lower audiences.

    I have shown that those blanket statements are not correct.

    Furthermore as multiple posts have no idea how Ad posting works, they are also wrong on the Advertiser getting screwed.

    As pointed out, the only one getting screwed is the Dish Customer.
     
  2. Dec 6, 2014 #62 of 122
    SeaBeagle

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    I still have CBS station.


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  3. Dec 6, 2014 #63 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    These numbers are very rough, which is why they are not accepted for anything involving revenue.

    Furthermore, they would screw up the carefully constructed sample.

    I visited some friend's in the Tampa Bay Area (of which Sarasota is a part of) a while ago. They had FiOS.

    In the Tampa DMA, WFTS is the ABC Affilliate for the entire DMA, but WWSB in Sarasota also has an ABC Affiliation (although WWSB ABC feeds are blacked out in Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater are).

    Under the so called hottest rankings, the #1 slot was taken by a College Football Game on WWSB which is only fed to the Sarasota-Bradenton Area. An infomercial was #2. #3 was the same College Football Game on WFTS available in the entire Tampa Bay DMA.

    Needless to say, from a pure availability basis, that was virtually impossible. And an infomercial was beating the game in Tampa proper? lol.

    And that is with FiOS, with a digital ability to monitor EVERY channel in real time - unlike DirecTV or Dish which does not have that ability.

    Furthermore the Nielsen meters are accurate down to the virtual second level, which can be seen lined up with News Stories on a Newscast.

    DirecTV or Dish data would be of no use in a system that precise.
     
  4. Dec 6, 2014 #64 of 122
    James Long

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    You have expressed your opinion. Thank you.
    Disagreement with your opinion is acceptable.
     
  5. Dec 7, 2014 #65 of 122
    tsmacro

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    So basically it all turned out to much ado about nothing it seems. Such is the case more times than not. I did see that the Smithsonian Channel was included in the agreement so I guess that means Dish customers will get that back, I'm sure there's gotta be one or two people who'll be happy about that.
     
  6. Dec 7, 2014 #66 of 122
    djlong

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    Let's not forget that CBS was demanding a hike in the price of what they supposedly provide FREE over-the-air.

    If people ever start discovering, en-masse, that digital TV is not the same as their old-fashioned analog, snowy, multi-pathed (ghosted) SD images, it'll be doomsday for the Big 4 Networks.
     
  7. Dec 7, 2014 #67 of 122
    lparsons21

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    also included was Showtime VOD and Showtime Anytime (or is that anywhere??) :)

    They aren't in place yet, but hopefully soon, and I don't mean Dish/Direct 'soon'!!
     
  8. Dec 7, 2014 #68 of 122
    Ray_Schwarz

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    So the net result is that Comercial skipping is not available for a week.
     
  9. Dec 7, 2014 #69 of 122
    tsmacro

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    Only Autohop won't be available. You can still skip them the same way we've been doing for years. It's amazing I haven't worn out more 60 second skip buttons on the Dish remotes.
     
  10. Dec 7, 2014 #70 of 122
    acostapimps

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    So one have to wonder what other channel is closeby to it's contract expiring and a threat to get pulled routine
    beside 4 CSN RSN's and Nexstar :contract:
     
  11. Dec 7, 2014 #71 of 122
    maartena

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    The new deal will still always cost more money then the previous deal, so prices are going to increase anyways when these disputes happen. Say CBS wanted 60% more then the previous deal, and they en up settling on a 30% increase after a dispute. You can be happy that Dish didn't roll over and paid the full 60%, but the 30% increase on that deal still need to be paid, and they will be coming from your pockets.

    Now there are also deals being done that you don't hear about. Media company xyz may only ask for a 30% increase, and before any alarm bells start sounding they ink a deal for 15% increase and no one is complaining, no one cares, and life goes on. Of course that increase will still be recovered from the customers.

    So yes, those subscribing to television and paying for a channel package, will see increases no matter what. Dish has actually been rather good in recent years and didn't increase price EVERY year like DirecTV did, but they may not be able to stave off price increases next year.
     
  12. Dec 7, 2014 #72 of 122
    mwdxer

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    Is there are newer comparison list between what channels Dish has compared to Direct? I would be interested in knowing what channels Dish has that Direct has.
     
  13. Dec 8, 2014 #73 of 122
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    I know that those numbers, 60% and 30% are just numbers picked out of the air, but expect that the real numbers are much lower than that.

    I think what everyone is forgetting is that the Federal Reserve is printing new money every day which reduces the value of the current dollar and causes inflation of all, or most all prices of everything at the grocery store, etc. Our beloved government, oops, I meant bloated government has seen fit to claim inflation was 1.7% last year so that is what us senior citizens will be seeing in our SS monthly checks.

    Those of us on Social Security mostly are living on a fixed income find that the actual inflation seems to far exceed what the "BG" is telling us. I remember when a cup of coffee at the local diner was just a nickel a cup with free refils, I know, I know, that makes me really old and coffee is a world market item subject to growing conditions and international trade which makes it a poor comparison, but maybe you get the point. In, I think it was, 1955, I bought a brand new top of the line Plymouth Fury for $5000. That comparable car now-a-days would cost around $25000.

    Anyway, my point is that prices will always go up for everything as long as there is inflation. The real problem, it seems to me, is that too many suppliers of our TV entertainment want to increases the prices way above inflation levels. I think that is where Charlie balks and tries to force a better deal for us users (viewers). :angel:

    Luckily my wife and I invested our money when we were in the earning stage of our lives and don't live on the SS check every month.
     
  14. Dec 8, 2014 #74 of 122
    lparsons21

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    Yeah, that 1.7% is a totally bogus, politically jiggered number. What makes it even funnier/sadder is that the gov't claims the CPI it is based on overestimates and the number should be lower.
     
  15. Dec 8, 2014 #75 of 122
    Orion9

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    According to those "claimed" inflation numbers, $5000 in 1955 is about $40,000 today. So you're complaining that the inflation numbers are too high? A modest number taken to the 59th power can become a rather significant one.

    Of course comparing a modern car to an old one is a pretty complicated exercise too. I was watching a car show yesterday where they were "restoring" a late 1970s car for someone but in the process of restoring it, they replaced things like the entire suspension and braking system with entirely different designs and components because, they said: "The cheap car that you rent at the airport today can out-corner and out-brake anything from the 70s."

    Not to mention more horsepower per gallon, way lower emissions, better safety equipment, bodies that aren't rusted before you drive them off the dealer lot etc. Even my low-end Subaru has USB ports, Blue Tooth, dialing by voice, and other stuff that my higher-end cars of the past didn't have.

    For my retirement planing, I've always used 3.5% as my assumed average inflation factor. 1.035^59 = 7.6 which would put the $5K car at $38K. So my assumed average number seems reasonable (for the past at least, ;))

    As far as I can tell (I'm retired) inflation does look reasonably low right now. For example, both my natural gas and gasoline prices have gone down. The Android phone that I bought for $100 does more than my $3500 PC of the 1990s, and the $8/month cell phone bill is the same as what I was paying in 2000, only in 2000 I received fewer minutes and NO data.

    Two things that have been well above the average rate have been TV and health care. My health insurance premiums went up 20-22% per year for over a decade. Since the affordable care act, they are going up at rate much closer to average inflation but it's too soon to know for sure if that problem has been solved for the long run. TV will probably continue to go up, but then, it's just TV so I guess the idea there is you can just drop it (or reduce it) when it gets too high.
     
  16. Dec 8, 2014 #76 of 122
    Orion9

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    A couple of thoughts about coffee.

    A cup of coffee in a restaurant seems to be a favorite of people who think inflation is super high. But if you picked the price of water in a restaurant then the rate of inflation will typically come out to … zero - in most restaurants in the US at least. This just shows that tracking inflation is complicated - you have to track many things and in proper proportions.

    According to the can of coffee I just bought, it works out to be about $0.04 per cup. One would imagine that back in our childhood it was probably less than 1 cent a cup. So a couple of thoughts based on that:

    If the price of restaurant coffee is getting to you, drink coffee at home and get water in the restaurant.

    The reason that coffee in the restaurant was much cheaper in the past than today could be more marketing than anything else. Starbucks etc. has made coffee a big deal. Also, perhaps before they were giving it away cheaply to get you in the restaurant. For example, years ago I used to have to go to Las Vegas for trade shows and we used to eat at huge excellent buffets for $2. Recently I went back with some friends and when we arrived and didn't know where to eat, I said "why don't we just go to the buffet?" Well the "just" turned out to be the wrong word because the buffet now costs something like 10 times what I remembered! Why? Well apparently they used to use the $2 buffet to keep people in the casino day and night. But then busses were arriving from old folks' homes and they all walked right past the casinos and had the great $2 dinner and left. So the great $2 dinner is no more. But it never really was a great $2 dinner. It was a $2 marketing plan that broke down. ;)

    By the way, if you think the CPI is too low now, keep an eye on your elected representatives because quite a few of them have suggested switching to a slower index for social security increases. Yep, it can get worse!
     
  17. Dec 8, 2014 #77 of 122
    Stewart Vernon

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    Also... on coffee... people price based on the expensive coffee... which largely didn't exist as a market pre-Starbucks... coffee, generic general coffee hasn't risen in price to the same degree as fancy coffee drinks have.

    Lots of other products are cheaper too... Coke and Pepsi have gone up in price over time... but the nickel Coke that my father would have bought as a kid was harder to get a nickel to pay for than a 50-cent Coke would be today... so even if you compare a 10-fold price increase that isn't fully appreciating the situation.

    I also bought a generic brand loaf of bread recently for less than a dollar... Premium bread costs a lot more... but bread, generic "cheap" bread costs proportionally less than it did in the past.

    TV is a luxury item, not a staple... and luxury items do not strictly follow the inflation curve anyway.
     
  18. Dec 8, 2014 #78 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Let me know where you can still find a bottle of coke in a machine for 50 cents. $1.00-$1.25 is the norm for a BOTTLE out of a vending machine.
     
  19. Dec 8, 2014 #79 of 122
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    The net result is CBS is not available on Charlie's NuTV OTT cable service, which was the holdup.
     
  20. Dec 8, 2014 #80 of 122
    James Long

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    Stewart didn't say the 50c Coke was a bottle. :)


    (That being said, finding a brand name 12 oz can of soda in a vending machine for 50c is rare.)

    Here is the Coca-Cola company's story of the 5 cent coke (a price that stood for 70 years).
    http://www.coca-colacompany.com/history/2008/01/the-5-cent-coke.html

    Good reading while we get back to the topic of CBS ... :D
     
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