CBS stations pulled from Dish Network in contract dispute (for less than 12 hours)

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  1. phrelin

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    From the investor advice website Motley Fool comes this story today How DISH Betrayed Customers To Strike A Deal With CBS:

    This is, of course, the real loss for Dish. A sales pitch that essentially says "unlike other DVR's in a few days to a week after a show airs, the Hopper can automatically skip commercials" isn't much of a sales pitch. The article suggests Dish's "satellite-less TV service delivered over the Internet" might offset this, but then notes that while the Disney/ABC/ESPN deal included significant streaming rights, CBS only agreed to continue talking all the while cranking up its CBS All Access streaming service.

    One has to wonder how competitive Dish will be by 2020. In my situation, I don't see how we could use any Dish streaming service without our Comcast internet. Using the Comcast Xfinity data usage calculator it is clear that we would be limited to about 30 hours of streaming HD a month without running up against the theoretical (now suspended) 250 GB per month streaming limit which I have to assume remains a significant per customer number that Comcast Xfinity is evaluating. Of course, for the rest of my life that limit may remain suspended.
     
  2. scooper

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    and now it's time for the affiliate retrans agreements..
    Our local CBS / FOX station owner (they have other stations in Charlotte and Wilmington that I know of) are running a crawl at the bottom of the screen about "Dish is pushing us around"...yada yada....
     
  3. Stewart Vernon

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    The problem with such articles as that... is they are from a point of ignorance, and then people reading it who don't know better eat up that statement.

    Dish was always intending to use AutoHop as leverage in negotiations. Customers can skip commercials manually the same way they always have with no restrictions... AutoHop was a "one click" version of that... so by no means was it the awesome feature some made it out to be. Was it neat? Sure... but I can skip commercials anytime I want if I use the fwd/back keys on the remote. That hasn't changed.

    But to people writing those types of articles, they don't mention any of that... they just go for the one bone and pick that to death... and enough people who don't know any better will read that and think it means something else.

    This "crippling" of AutoHop in no way makes the Hopper significantly less cool or useful than it was before the deal was done. Hopper didn't even launch with AutoHop, but no one remembers that now... It was an added feature intended to scare networks into negotiating from a lower starting point. Most people who think about it for a few minutes can see that, and realize they really aren't losing anything and are gaining some money in the pocket as those retransmission fees come in at lower prices as a result.
     
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  4. James Long

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    I don't recall that being in a press release or marketing of the feature.

    I remember the early threads about the feature trying to direct people who read the bold print ads for "commercial free TV" and didn't read the small print disclaimers that said only four networks and available the next day. The current description is soft:

    Watch Commercial-Free TV
    Hate commercials? Only the Hopper® gives you the power to instantly skip commercials1 in recorded primetime TV – ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC. Plus, you can record 8 different shows at the same time and store up to 2,000 hours of your favorite shows.

    The footnote:
    1 Commercial skip feature is only available with playback the next day of select primetime shows on ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC as part of PrimeTime Anytime feature. Both features are subject to availability. Recording hours vary; 2000 hours based on SD programming. Feature must be enabled by customer.

    And now the compromise ... ABC O&Os delayed three days, CBS delayed seven days? I suppose that is covered under "Both features are subject to availability." I don't recall seeing a press release or advertising that said AutoHop was a negotiable feature that would be taken away by DISH as needed to satisfy the networks. I do recall DISH filing suit to keep the feature ... and constantly reminding us every time there is a positive ruling in court how important and critical AutoHop is.

    Critical until they negotiate it away? :)
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    Well, yeah... they never came right out and said it... but it seemed pretty clear and I am pretty sure I said something way way back that I bet Dish was going to use it as a negotiating tactic the next time contracts came up with those channels... and that's what we have been seeing.
     
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    DISH will make changes between Dec. 17 and Feb. 28 to the AutoHop feature for certain CBS stations on Hopper systems. When the change occurs in each of these DMAs, the AutoHop feature will not be available until approximately seven days following the time of a primetime show’s initial airing.


    This change will begin rolling out to certain CBS Corporation owned-and-operated stations first (see schedule below). The CBS affiliates in the remaining DMAs will experience this change by Feb. 28. AutoHop changes coming for certain CBS stations


    DMA


    Station


    Channel Number


    Effective Date


    Orbital Location


    Baltimore


    WJZ


    13


    Dec. 17


    61.5° / 110°


    Boston


    WBZ


    4


    Dec. 29


    Miami


    WFOR


    4


    Jan. 5, 2015


    119°


    Minneapolis


    WCCO


    4


    61.5° / 110° / 129°


    Philadelphia


    KYW


    3


    61.5° / 110°


    San Francisco


    KPIX


    5


    110° / 119°


    Pittsburgh


    KDKA


    2


    61.5° / 110° / 129°


    Detroit


    WWJ


    62


    Chicago


    WBBM


    2


    Jan. 6, 2015


    61.5° / 119° / 129°


    Dallas


    KTVT


    11


    61.5° / 110°


    Denver


    KCNC


    4


    110° / 129°


    Los Angeles


    KCBS


    2


    119° / 129°


    New York


    WCBS


    2


    61.5° / 119°


    Sacramento, Calif.


    KOVR


    13


    110°


    CBS affiliates
    in other markets








    by Feb. 28


     
  7. tsmacro

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    Well that copy and paste job didn't end up looking at all what it did before I hit "post". Oh well basic premise is that Dish is rolling out the new 7 day delay for autohop for CBS stations between now and Feb 28th.
     
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    It seemed we were supposed to get Showtime on Demand and Showtime Anywhere as part of the deal. I have not seen either yet. Anyone know when it might come? I am having to replace my Hopper with Sling because of the hard drive going bad and it had the most recent season of Homeland on it. I would like to watch that soon and have no way of doing so now unless they implement the on demand and anywhere agreement.
     
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    Well, this went into effect recently, maybe as late as Feb 28th. I first noticed it with The Good Wife on March 2 and wondered why the Auto-Hop wasn't working and why in fact all the CBS titles appeared to be missing the kangaroo. Glad I went back and checked here.
     
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    James Long

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    Yep ... I let a couple of CBS shows sit in my Hopper more than a week (timers set to record the programs) and the "kangaroo" appeared after the 7th day.

    Currently in the PrimeTime folder only the oldest three shows (recorded 2/27) have AutoHop enabled. The 2/28 shows are not yet enabled.
     
  12. Mar 8, 2015 #112 of 122
    thomasjk

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    The 7 day delay is a part of the new CBS/Dish contract. All CBS stations O&O and affiliates are affected by this.
     
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    Jim5506

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    I usually watch shows time shifted the same day, so I rarely have the opportunity to use auto hop, and when I do it confuses my index finger, because it is so accustomed to hitting the SKIP FWD button 6 times... Oh well.
     
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    david_jr

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    I notice that some programs have mixed up commercial times now. Some have a shorter break earlier on and then a longer break later on so hitting the button 6 times will push you past the start of the program.
     
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    James Long

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    The war is on ... I choose to wait a week and win - or watch some other network's programming. Take that CBS!
     
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    Did not realize at the time how prophetic this was. Now that it is on us I have to agree. 7 day wait for autohop is too long plain and simple and is a bad deal.
     
  17. Stewart Vernon

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    Except... you can still skip commercials with the skip and FWD keys... same as you have to do for 99% of the channels on Dish anyway... i get that "AutoHop" is a cool feature and all, but it always felt like a bargaining chip to me because it really doesn't do anything you can't do yourself with just a few button presses on the remote.
     
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    the whole after 7 deal wait is just CBS trying to brick the AutoHop feature and the other networks just put a small delay cause they couldn't fight it as they needed the ratings more then CBS does. CBS is #1 for a reason. and CBS is trying their best to kill the autohop feature. now if Fox ever wanted to take it one step further, and make it 14 days, then i guess the Autohop feature would have to be phased out.
     
  19. James Long

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    I like AutoHop ... but I do not see losing AutoHop as being the death of DISH Network. It seems strange how pundits will play down the importance of the feature in one breath and then claim losing the feature is a death knell.
     
  20. david_jr

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    Certainly not the death of Dish, but it is a big loss. For most people 7 days is like losing autohop on that station. Am I going to leave Dish over it certainly not. Yes we can use the skip feature, but let's face it PTAT and AutoHop are the 2 biggest things that make the Hopper so cool. If the other networks follow suit with the CBS deal, I think Fox and NBC have yet to negotiate AutoHop, a lot of the cache of the Hopper will be lost. Still a great piece of equipment and PTAT works great for our household where a lot of network TV is watched. But AutoHop is missed on CBS. The recent CBS shows on our Hoppers are all devoid of the red Kangaroo. Yes we are spoiled.
     
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