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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. Jan 9, 2008 #381 of 776
    ShapeGSX

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    The "Media Center" for the 360 isn't really a media center program at all. It is just a remote desktop protocol client with some changes to allow local decode of media.

    The meat of Media Center is not in the 360. It is in the PC. So there is no way for the 360 to even control the tuner.

    Now, Microsoft is building a new application into the 360 for IPTV. This tuner might be able to work with that, if they build it in.

    Personally, I have no idea why someone would want to do this, what with the limited and expensive hard drive space on the 360. For that matter, I don't even know why people want to put music on their 360's hard drive. Stream it. I have 2 TB of hard drive space in my home for media, not even including my DVRs. The 20GB drive that the 360 comes with, or even the 120GB drive, is PUNY!

    I love the 360 for games and for streaming, but it isn't meant to be a media center by itself. It is meant to be a streaming playback device.

    Now, MS is changing this with IPTV, but again, I don't see the attraction.
     
  2. Jan 9, 2008 #382 of 776
    mjones73

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    If you are paying a mirroring and a lease fee, you are still getting charged for an old receiver on your account. It should only be one or the other depending it it's leased or owned. The primary receiver on the account should also have neither a lease or mirror fee.

    Check your bill or log into your account and see what they show you have active under receivers, when I upgraded, they never took my replaced receivers off.
     
  3. Jan 9, 2008 #383 of 776
    Earl Bonovich

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    At a minimum... you will be paying the $4.99 a month fee (which is based on the access cards)... be it called a mirrored/lease fee.

    As for if this unit will be OWNED or LEASED.
    I would almost guarantee it will be a leased piece of equipment, in the same way that all the other DirecTV receivers leased.
     
  4. Jan 9, 2008 #384 of 776
    jeonunh

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    Ugh, you're probably right. I didn't even think about that until now. There is no way I want a contract. There is a pending deal here in Maine between Fairpoint and Verizon, and if it gets shut down I could be getting FIOS tv in the next year. I guess I'll probably know the answer to that before these things come out anyway...
     
  5. Jan 9, 2008 #385 of 776
    bakerfall

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    owned does not equal no contract extension. My contract was extended when I activated my HR10-250 that I paid $1000 for.
     
  6. Jan 9, 2008 #386 of 776
    carl6

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    I agree that today this is a niche product for a very few enthusiasts. However five or ten years from now everything will be integrated, and this is simply the leading/bleeding edge of that. Today's enthusiasts will help pave the way for the mainstream to follow.

    Carl
     
  7. Jan 9, 2008 #387 of 776
    Doug Brott

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    good point Carl and I agree with your assessment.
     
  8. Jan 9, 2008 #388 of 776
    jeonunh

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    Maybe I was lucky, but after about 2 hours on the phone with them I had all four of my recievers put into their system as "owned" and I have a month to month contract.
     
  9. Jan 9, 2008 #389 of 776
    bakerfall

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    If I was single and living in an apartment and had no fears of the 360 overheating, I would love to have a solution that did all of that and did it well.

    However, the prospect of getting the red rings of death and also losing TV is terrifying :)
     
  10. Jan 9, 2008 #390 of 776
    HDTVFreak07

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    Earl, how will I know as soon as it becomes available? Will it be through retailers or through DirecTV only?
     
  11. Jan 9, 2008 #391 of 776
    rgreenpc

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    There are several non-microsoft extenders out or coming out now.
     
  12. Jan 9, 2008 #392 of 776
    digitalfreak

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    I don't mind the lease, I just don't like having to pay a sum up front AND pay a monthly fee, ala the $299 fee for the HR20.
     
  13. Jan 9, 2008 #393 of 776
    jeonunh

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    The sound of the thing would (and does) drive me nuts. I guess until we know how much they cost, we couldn't really speculate whether something like this would even make sense anyway... Why lay out a bunch of cash for a xbox peripheral when you can just get the standalone dvr.

    On another note, the silence from MS now that the cat's out of the bag is deafening. I don't think any new information is going to be forthcoming for awhile.
     
  14. Jan 9, 2008 #394 of 776
    Earl Bonovich

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    Both Retailers and DirecTV.

    When it is ready for market, you will certainly see something here about it.
     
  15. Jan 9, 2008 #395 of 776
    Earl Bonovich

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    The monthly fee has been pretty much the most consistant thing about DirecTV since day #1.

    Even when we had to pay $1k for the HR10-250 (to own it)... we still had to pay the monthly fee for the extra receiver.
     
  16. Jan 9, 2008 #396 of 776
    jeonunh

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    The lease fee is fine. I'd end up saving money by deactivating my HD receiver and my two SD receivers that are on the MCE machine. I just want to avoid a new contract.
     
  17. Jan 9, 2008 #397 of 776
    LoopinFool

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    Earl,

    I agree with you about the price. That sounds like what it's worth to the customers. I don't agree with you about it being between an HD receiver and an HDDVR.
    The unit has no analog video circuitry/connectors. It has no expensive HDMI driver chip and connector. It is a much smaller unit. It does nothing without being hooked up to a media center PC. In function and cost to produce (ignoring quantity discounts) it's less than an H20/21. Those quantity discounts are a big thing, and the fact is, the customer base (note the posts in this thread) seem willing to pay more.
    However, it sounds like a dual ATSC tuner is something like $50 and doesn't require a $5/mo fee and expensive monthly programming charge. I don't think this box should cost a whole lot more than that. It also sounds like the release date is too far out for them to talk price yet.

    - LoopinFool
     
  18. Jan 9, 2008 #398 of 776
    LoopinFool

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    For those who know more about the Windows Media Center system...

    Can you even transcode DRM content to really small files for portable devices? I'd love to be able to simply transfer some 320x240 MPEG4 videos to my PDA from a media center system. It's too much of a pain now to capture the SD output of the DVR and encode stuff for "walking around".
    It seems to me a format like that wouldn't get the content providers upset. Heck, they even allow downconverting to something like DVD-quality on component outputs from protected HD sources.
    If they want to protect the content even more, they (MS) should be able to manage some per-unit DRM with a small limit (like 4 devices). That would allow an honest user to take content with them on some laptops, PDAs and phones but not upload to YouTube.
    What's the big deal, and do they already support this?

    - LoopinFool
     
  19. Jan 9, 2008 #399 of 776
    jeonunh

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    It will all depend on how D* does their cost accounting on the thing. Imagine they spent about $3million on development, $2million setting up a production line, and the unit cost is about $100 to build with the somewhat limited production run. Assuming they sell 10,000 units, the cost to D* per unit is $600. I'm sure there are more costs involved with support, distribution, advertising etc. Obviously they can't charge more than the market will support, but they will charge as much as they can in order to recoup their costs. Personally, with 3 years of development, I bet the costs are much higher than I estimated.
     
  20. Jan 9, 2008 #400 of 776
    mva5580

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    Do you think MS lined their pockets a bit though in helping with the development costs of this considering it's (apparently) only going to work with Windows Vista?
     

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