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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by RAD, Aug 20, 2007.
They probable put it in SD so people who don't have HD will upgrade.
Yeah, but . . . people like Tom who really know their satellite signal $h*t believe there's likely a block of currently-unused capacity on the Spaceways - it's conceivable (I don't think likely though :lol that a few "teaser" channels like MHD or NGC might go live before D10 is ready at it's final spot if all indications continue to go well, presuming Spaceway 1 has capacity for one or two national beams (remember, the Spaceways use instantly-configurable phased array transmitters, totally unlike most DBS satellites. Just not sure if they can do ONLY spots or nationals, and not both). So DirecTV might light up something early to grab the opportunity for a good bit of publicity before the "real" roll-out gets going.
Sorry, don't buy it. If D* could get some CONUS out of SW1 and/or SW2 why haven't they done that already vs. hold back capacity, where's the logic in doing so?
Because the risk of launch failures and orbital problems with D10 (and still with D11) is not trivial. Keeping capacity in reserve would let DirecTV deal with a setback and still add a few channels and/or a couple of additional local markets without appearing to stand still while they got the next spacecraft up and running. If D10 had ended up in a billion pieces scattered across the steppes of Kazahkstan and D11 was still months behind schedule due to SeaLaunch's problems last February, DirecTV would still be able to throw a small bone to subs to help reduce churn to E* and cable, however small.
More to the point, however, do you dispute Tom's bandwidth analysis in the thread he's got stickied to the top of the General DirecTV forum?
Again, why wouldn't they 'throw a bone' out months ago using the Spaceways IF they could do CONUS on it to stop the churn that's been happening already by folks that couldn't wait? If they could have done it they could have added the channels on the SW's and then once D10 or D11 goes up migrate them to one of those sats and then continue with local rollouts on SW1/SW2. Just don't see your logic in your response.
As to your second question, guess I am then about the CONUS ability. Back when SW1/SW2 first went out it was mentioned by LonghornXP (who had an inside track to the info) over at the other guys site that D* was looking to see if they could do something to come up with CONUS beam but they determined they couldn't, he never did say why. One reason could be power, yes maybe you could configure one of the antennas for CONUS but what would that do to the power draw on the system, maybe that would take away from the LIL's and D* felt that was more important. Either way, IMHO, if D* could have done it they would have.
On the same vain, why wouldn't of D* used that capacity for NFL-ST last year vs. having to shut down PPV and TNT-HD. They have lit up MHD and the Sneak Peaks when there has been open capacity on the TPs that handle ch 94 and 95. With Preseason NFL and MLB games picking up...that is why those tastes have gone away.
Swami says D HD might be delayed! But you know Swami's half truths. Good luck, honestly!
The "bone" has always been the full roast - D10 and 11 and the 1500 new channels we've been promised. If D10 had blown up, I would bet a LOT that some stuff would give and we'd be getting a few token channels. After all, there IS enough limited capacity somewhere that we've gotten sneak peaks at NGC HD and MHD, albeit in MPEG2.
Power could be one big reason why they choose not to, but Tom's analysis indicates that the phased array is pretty darn configurable and that the sats almost certainly have spare bandwidth. On the other hand, they probably want to conserve that for NFL ST Superfan, more HD RSNs, etc.
So in sum, I think they could've squeezed in a few more channels if need be, but only if they were unsure of D10's success.
Guess it's just going to be one of those times we have to agree to disagree.
I don't recall seeing that guess from him, do you have the link since I don't see a mention of that on his site? All I see from him is 70 channels my end of 3Q and 100 by the end of 4Q, http://www.tvpredictions.com/directvhd080907.htm.
Sure, nothing wrong with that. Besides, hopefully in a couple weeks neither of us will have the unhappy opportunity to gloat about it! Long live DirecTV 10!
I know its not because they're watching NESN-HD, or YES-HD, or MLB EI-HD. But I think that next month I will ALSO watch the Discovery networks in HD, but they STILL won't have (and NEVER WILL HAVE) those sports channels (or the NFL ST SF) in HD!
NGC free previews were done late at night when the special events channels were not in use (Sunday Ticket, MLB, etc...).
MHD was also that way as well... with the exception of the Diana concert...
To see what kind of limited capacity they have, think Universal-HD and TNT-HD last year...
Amen. Good discussion guys.
Now do ya'll think that 77 & 92 will become two of our new HD channels?
Right, limited MPEG2 capacity. Superfan is going MPEG4 though, right? And the initial post was that there is/might/could be some spare MPEG4 capacity at 99 or 103.
But as RAD points out, I could be wrong but hopefully won't have to find out.
bad news channel 77 is just a shopping channel in HD
1. I saw where HR20-100 users are not getting the item in their Playlist, but do the new channles (77 and 92) show up (and work) on these boxes?
2. Will this test be a definitive way of proving whether or not I need a WB68 MS to receive the new channels? I have the older (6802?) MS and despite my telling D* that I have heard it will not work, they *swear* that it will.
Not this year on Superfan, Earl has said that, but probably next year. D*'s web site still says all you need is the MPEG2 hardware for Superfan, the only time you need MPEG4 is for a game that's on a local HD channel that D* has and SF would black out due to local carriage.
I don't know if it's a definitive test or not, but the 6802 will NOT work with the new channels from the Directv 10 and 11 satellites. They broadcast Ka-lo band (the "B-Band" that "B-Band Converters" convert up to Ka-high for the receiver), and the 6802 does not pass that signal. Tier 2 Tech Support should be able to confirm that.
Do we know which HD channels are going to be lit up in September? I've seen the list that they're promising by end of year, but I've seen nothing that indicates how many (and which) we'll receive in September.