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Charlie Chat Summary - December 11th, 2006

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Dec 11, 2006.

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  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    But why does he have to do this? There could be confidentiality agreements in the negotiations process that prevent him from saying too much even if he wanted to... but he by no means owes anyone such an explanation.

    Again, if he had just said nothing to begin with... then people would be mad that he didn't say anything... but by even implying "soon" he has apparently gotten himself into trouble with folks who want to beat it to death every other day that he hasn't been "soon" enough for them.

    And in this case... how has he promised something and not delivered? He said they were working on the RSNs and hoped to have them soon... where was the promise? And even if he literally said "I promise we will have them soon", what does that even mean? Soon is a relative term. If his company exists for the next 100 years, then a 5-year window is relatively "soon" in the lifespan of the company.

    I just don't get some of the "sky is falling" reactions sometimes. The sky hasn't even cracked or dropped pebbles, much less began to fall... and if he gets RSNs anytime "soon" then that will be fine with me... but I'm not calendar counting the days to decide if it has been "soon" enough.

    And all of that said... IF he did say "we are having problem X" as you say... then folks would be watching problem X and saying "hey did you fix problem X yet" and "when will you fix problem X" and if problem X gets fixed, people will demand "hey you said problem X was the only reason so I want it now"... and we will be right back where we started.

    Personally, as much as I'd love to see RSNs in HD I find myself taxed to watch all the channels I already have, so I wouldn't notice not having them right now and if I didn't see the threads about them, I wouldn't even remember they were even working on them.
     
  2. Dish Cubfan

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    Dish is letting Direct TV kick their behind on RSNs in HD.
     
  3. Pat A

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    Actually, 148 comes in great for us in Anchorage. Its a lot closer to us physically. I put up a 24" antenna a couple of years ago to get CBSHD, and was seeing signal strengths in the 60s and 70s. I really wish dish would mirror the HD channels at 129 on 148 for us up here.
    Jim, I was just talking to Dish CS the other night, about upgrading my 942 to a 622, and they told me that I qualify for the $199 lease promo. I would try CSR roulette agian.
     
  4. Jim Parker

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    Thanks for the info. Have you actually ordered it yet?

    My wife tried the first time, I tried, transferred to a supervisor, then to her supervisor. So, I'm 0 for 4 now.

    I sent off a long letter to CEO@echostar, but have not heard back yet. I'll post the results in the Alaska HD thread.
     
  5. lujan

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    Maybe the tech chats should include someone from the development team so that they can give us a more accurate estimate as to when an enhancement or bug fix is released.

    Also, what is an RSN?
     
  6. Rob Glasser

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    Regional Sports Network, ie Fox Sports channels.
     
  7. Ron Barry

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    Actually they do have representation from the development team on the tech chats. Those are the guys that are sitting there waiting to answer the questions. As for accurate estimates, in most companies priorities are very fluid and can change frequently. Same goes with bug fix estimates etc. Even if they provided time frames I would personally take it with a grain of salt.
     
  8. CABill

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    And for some things, bags full of salt wouldn't be adequate. Chats/Tech Forums mentioned NBR to be included as far back as Feb '04. First rollout to 522 in the summer of '04, followed by 5xx series. Curtis has represented developement the last two times 5xx NBR has come up this year to provide the last two missed time frames. It isn't that much longer until it will have been three years since first mentioned on a tech chat. It makes the other estimates look remarkably good. :(
     
  9. Ron Barry

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    Personally I am really surprised that they even are attempting it on the 5XX series. To me it seems like a feature they could have easily just targeted new receivers with. Just don't see the cost benefit ratio of moving that feature over to the 5XX receivers.
     
  10. oldave

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    Any negotiation like this begins with the signing of Non-Disclosure Agreements by both parties. Which is why during the Lifetime pissing contest, no actual numbers were ever provided. Just vague generalities like "this many percent more" and "only pennies more."

    Instant gratification. That's what it's all about.

    As soon as something is available (The Fox RSNs in HD, for example), there are those whose lives are simply not complete unless they can get them.

    Personally, while I think HD can have great picture quality, I'm not sure that the experience of watching a football, baseball or basketball game, or a car race or anything else for that matter, is diminished all that much by having a good quality standard definition picture instead of the eye-popping high definition picture.

    So you miss a pixel here and a pixel there... here a pixel, there a pixel, everywhere a pixel, pixel... oops, sorry, got off track there for a second...

    The point is that I'm undecided whether having no bigger problems than whether Charlie delivers something people want within the time frame they want is a blessing or a curse. Sometimes I wish all I had to worry about was whether I could watch a TV show in high def or not... but then I think it would be horrible to have a life that dull. :) (Yeah, I know I've spent a lot of time posting here lately... but it's winter :lol: )
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    Agreed... If that was my biggest worry (when channel XXX would be in HD on Dish), I would be a lot more stress-free!
     
  12. Rebollos

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    For me he said something interesting, but not true. If I recall correctly he said something like "if you want to upgrade and you have been a loyal customer for a long time call us and we will give you a good deal". I am a customer since 1996, and I am getting the same deal as if I was a customer since 2005, in regards to HD, and please correct me if i am wrong.

    The thing the really bothers me is that I payed back in 1996 $800, including programming, equipment, and installation to get DISH, while somebody that signed in 2005 had everything free, and up to 4 rooms, but if both want HD we have to pay the same, and that is not FAIR.

    I called DISH many times, and send emails, expalining this situation, and I always received the same response, "you took advantage of our deal when you signed up" WHAT DEAL I PAYED $800!!!!!!

    Thank you for reading
     
  13. gjh3260

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    I agree. I think it would be nice if Charlie would address the WHY of why the HD RSN's are not happening. At least it would cut down on the speculation of why its not available yet.

    Tonight for example the Pens/Flyers are in HD on ch 9467. It is the HD feed from FSN Pittsburgh. Is it easier to broadcast a feed nationally as opposed to just a specific part of the country ?? And what about those NHL HD channels that are uplinked (ch 387-393) whats up with those ? A little more specifics Charlie would cut down on the speculation.

    There is no comparison watching a hockey game in HD vs SD.
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    Rebollos,

    Why is it not fair? Seriously... why do you think Dish owes you something?

    I subscribe to Dish, and I pay for a service... if they provide that service and I pay for it then we are each getting what we want. They don't owe me for paying my bill on time as agreed.

    Maybe your employer should figure your salary using the same logic? Since you have worked there for more than 5 years, and he has paid you all that time... he should get a discount and be able to pay you less than he would a new employee, right?

    I'm thinking not.
     
  15. oldave

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    Sorry... have to call BS on this one.

    Where was it written (or even implied) when you signed up for Dish Network in 1996 that you could expect to be given anything for free somewhere down the road?

    You paid the price at the time, and you got what you were told you would get for that price. Promotions change from time to time. You could have waited for one of those promotions, but you chose not to. There was no promise when you signed up that sometime later, they would replace your gear, or send you additional equipment for free.

    The promotions today are what they are. Deal with them. If you're upset that Dish Network has made a profit off you for all these years, then by all means, stop paying them. But they're under no obligation to take that profit and give it back to you in the form of free equipment. I hate it for you, but that's the way it is.
     
  16. koralis

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    HD porn?
     
  17. James Long

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    I resisted saying that! :D
     
  18. Rebollos

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    I think you are both right, and I made a mistake, thank you for open my eyes.

    So if DISH decides after the current offer to give existing customers that want to upgrade to HD, 2 free VIP622 and free programming for 3 months, nobody who got a vip622 in the 2005 will have anything to complaint about...
     
  19. Darkman

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    Why??

    Don't be SHY now.. :D
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    100% correct. I just paid the $199 upgrade plan to get my ViP622. The offer expires January 31st. If on Feb 1st they announce a $99 upgrade plan (or better), then I have nothing to complain about. I could have kept waiting if I didn't think I was getting a good deal now.

    Virtually anything you ever buy is going to be cheaper or better (or sometimes both) in a few months... but you can't get money back from every company!
     
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