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Cheaters win again

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by wilssm, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Dec 13, 2007 #41 of 191
    OneOfOne

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    boston is still a racist city. moss is going to get his cash next year you can believe that. I hope its from the patriots. I think players want to play for the patriots because they want to win. for themselves. but I dont care.
     
  2. Dec 13, 2007 #42 of 191
    purtman

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    No, I don't think they had a shot against "the best team in history". Many of the Patriots weren't alive when the Steelers were ruling the roost in the mid-to-late 70s.

    I'm not a Steelers' fan, but the first comment did not say that the win was by "cheating". Secondly, please learn the difference between "fact" and "opinion".

    The only reason the Pats are unbeaten is because of a blown call on Gaffney's TD at the end of the game against the Ravens. He didn't have possession (the ball can not be in the midst of switching from hand to hand to be ruled in possession).
     
  3. Dec 14, 2007 #43 of 191
    Stewart Vernon

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    I agree there are different levels, regarding drug use. There are players that take the enhancers to be better than they would ever be otherwise. There are also players that take drugs to heal faster and get back on the field. Especially in the latter case, and perhaps Harrison's motivation, I blame the teams and the league for creating an atmosphere where players feel the need to do that to themselves to get back on the field.

    There's playing hurt, and playing injured even... and there's dedication to craft... but there's also endangering yourself and taking unnecessary risks. I always go back to Lyle Alzaido (I know I butchered spelling his name) and how sad it was seeing him in his last months dying of health problems directly related to having taken steroids in his playing days.
     
  4. Dec 14, 2007 #44 of 191
    Steve Mehs

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    :rolleyes: You're still around I see

    Fact: The 2007-2008 New England Patriots are the best team in NFL history
    Fact: When in doubt always blame the officials
     
  5. Dec 14, 2007 #45 of 191
    jodyguercio

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    1) How would the Pats of this year stack up against the Ravens of 2000? Defense wins championships and the Pats dont have much of one

    2) The 1985 Chicago Bears?

    Lets answer those two questions before we go crowning anyone anything.


    Yea Yea I know my avi is the Texans and yes I am a Texans fan and a proud one at that.7-7 with two to play and still a slim shot at the playoffs, heres hoping
     
  6. Dec 14, 2007 #46 of 191
    Lord Vader

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    There, I had to make a minor correction to your obviously incorrect post. You're welcome, of course.
     
  7. Dec 14, 2007 #47 of 191
    Steve Mehs

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    :rolleyes: Whatever dude. Only thing that's incorrect is the notion the Pats will not be the greatest team of all time.

    The Patriots defense is ranked 4th in the league and they have given up an average of 17 PPG. Care to recant that statement?
     
  8. Dec 14, 2007 #48 of 191
    Lord Vader

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    Edited to reflect another correction.

    There. Had to correct what I'm sure is another typo. ;)
     
  9. Dec 14, 2007 #49 of 191
    Richard King

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    Play nice, boys. :lol:
     
  10. Dec 14, 2007 #50 of 191
    Lord Vader

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    We are. It's the Christmas season, and in the spirit of giving and assistance, we're just assisting someone in need. :)
     
  11. Dec 14, 2007 #51 of 191
    Steve Mehs

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    When it comes to sports there is no playing nice. Pride, trash talk, face painting, it's all a part of it. Like I said, I'm not a Patriots fan, they are the division rivals of my Bills, but I know a great team when I see it. Am I jealous of the Patriots and what they have. Hell yeah! But that doesn’t mean I wish them anything but the best. The team has so much talent, and talent that clicks well together and they are so dominate. They deserve to go 19-0.
     
  12. Dec 14, 2007 #52 of 191
    Lord Vader

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    Great team, yes, but the "best team in NFL history"? No way. Not yet. One cannot be "best" at anything until one has completed the overall job and possesses overall statistics to support the completed job. It is too soon to label them as "best."
     
  13. Dec 14, 2007 #53 of 191
    Stewart Vernon

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    They can't be the "best in history" until they win the Superbowl, so really any talk before that is premature. In fact, they could still lose 2 games this year, by resting, and then run the table to win in the playoffs and still should be in consideration for "best" in my book... since we've only had one undefeated team in the NFL history, going lossless can't be the only criteria.

    Hard to rank best offense and best defense of today vs yesterday teams... because in the totality of things, you have to also realize that a lot of the teams the Pats have beaten this year were just not that good. Last year's Pats might have fared as good with this year's schedule based on how bad their own division (aside from Buffalo) has sank.

    The Ravens of Superbowl fame had a great defense, but practically no offense. Personally, I feel like this year's Pats could score enough to outscore those Ravens eventually. Remember those Ravens' offense sometimes turned the ball over too. But we can't know since we can't play the game.
     
  14. Dec 14, 2007 #54 of 191
    jodyguercio

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    No not at all.....I stated an OPINION. I dont think they have a defense...so what if they are ranked fourth, the Steelers were ranked either 1st or 2nd in the league in defense going into that game and they got TORCHED.
     
  15. Dec 14, 2007 #55 of 191
    Steve Mehs

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    :lol: All of you who are too blind to see make me laugh. It's comical the excuses you all make, keep denying it ladies, 51 more days until I rub it all bad at you.
     
  16. Dec 14, 2007 #56 of 191
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    Seahawks are going to take it all and Hillary will be our next President. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!!

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  17. Dec 14, 2007 #57 of 191
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    >>Since I’m...not really a Patriots fan,

    Oh, thank you...

    I started reading this thread backwards and was really surprised you were in the NE camp, being in Western NY and all. We lived in Rochester for three years - right towards the end of the Bills zenith (I listened to the Frank Reich led playoff comeback on the radio in good ole' Brockport...as the game was a non-sellout-blackout on TV!!!) - and the Bills ever since have been a favorite of mine. I found it hard to believe you'd be a Pats fan.

    But acknowledging their superiority in coaching, attitude and talent doesn't always mean you're jumping on their bandwagon...

    The Pats certainly have their vulnerabilities, but ever since that AFC championship in Pittsburgh when Tom Brady was knocked out, and the Pats still held on, they have carried themselves like were men amongst boys. I think the attitude alone has won them a couple games.
     
  18. Dec 15, 2007 #58 of 191
    Steve Mehs

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    I'm a newly found Bills fan after about 10 years of not being one. I started off with the Cowboys as soon as I discovered football back in '89 or '90, then became a Bills fan for a year or two, then moved on to the Titans when they moved from Houston and as of a few weeks ago, I did something I never thought I'd do, root for the Bills..again. I've followed the Bills forever, just not as a fan. I really do like Trent Edwards, the guy has a lot of potential and has talent. While not the entire reason, I've picked my favorite teams on QBs, Aikman, Steve McNair and now Edwards. I could not stand Kelly, Todd Collins was a disappointment, Rob Johnson wore that bandana a little too light, the Magic Midget was good, but there was something about him I didn't like, Drew Bledsoe was a washed up hasbeen (I should say neverwas) and JP Loserman, 1) He sucks 2) He sounds like a 12 year old school girl. Edwards is more collective and better at making decisions and I hope next year he can be a valuable leader for the team, something the Bills have lacked.

    Throughout the years I‘ve also supported teams that I thought had what it takes and a deserving, during the Marcus Allan years, I wasn’t a Chiefs fan but I wanted to see them do good. Not a Jets fan either, but I did root for them when they had Testaverde and Curtis ‘My Favorite’ Martin.

    But no amount of genius coaching, talent or crack could get me to want to see the Dolphins win a game. While I have switched favorite teams three times in 18 years, I hated the Fins since I was 4, and that's one thing that will never change. :)
     
  19. Dec 15, 2007 #59 of 191
    purtman

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    :lol. yeah, once in a while. There are some real garbage mouths on here that have pushed me away. When people start using the off-color language, it usually means they can't come up with the correct word in English. Have a great holiday. Are you going to the Sabres' outdoor game? I'd love to check that out. I hope NHL Network broadcasts it.
     
  20. Dec 15, 2007 #60 of 191
    jimbo09

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    The '85 Bears, with their 46 defense...designed to stop the run and hurry the passer, would probably lose to the Pats about as bad as they lost to Miami that year. It would almost be like they were playing a team from the future;)
     

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