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Discussion in 'The OT' started by spartanstew, Jan 30, 2010.

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  1. Aug 1, 2012 #101 of 145
    Drucifer

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    I haven't been much paying much attention to this, (CFA is not in NYS), but has the chain restaurant made any statement that they wouldn't serve individuals they didn't approve of?
     
  2. Aug 1, 2012 #102 of 145
    dpeters11

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    Nope, I haven't even heard of anything about who they hire in the restaurants. It's all about the views of the family that owns it and groups they donated money to. Thing is, they have been pretty open about their overall views for years. It's not like it was a secret or that something changed.

    Personally, I think they can give money to whatever legal group they want. They don't even have to answer to stockholders.
     
  3. Aug 1, 2012 #103 of 145
    James Long

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    Here is what they told the Atlanta Journal Constitution ...
    Chick-fil-A spokesman Don Perry emailed a prepared statement to the AJC Wednesday evening.

    "The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect -- regardless of belief, creed and sexual orientation," the statement said. "We will continue this tradition in the over 1,600 restaurants run by independent Owner/Operators. Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena."
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  4. Aug 1, 2012 #104 of 145
    dpeters11

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    I do kind of wonder if stress over this contributed to his death.
     
  5. Aug 1, 2012 #105 of 145
    James Long

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    Dan Cathy, the person whom made the comments, is certainly alive. S Truett Cathy, the founder, is also alive - if you can believe his website.
     
  6. Aug 2, 2012 #106 of 145
    Davenlr

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    It was their head PR guy who died.
     
  7. Aug 2, 2012 #107 of 145
    phrelin

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    I really don't care about Chick-fil-A, but the John Goodman Col. Sanders satire video on Funny or Die is hilarious.

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    And yes, it is satire which is, as explained by Wikipedia:
     
  8. Aug 2, 2012 #108 of 145
    Number Six

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    Why the name calling? It's simply choosing not to spend money with a business that is actively working to deny you marriage to the person you love.
     
  9. Aug 2, 2012 #109 of 145
    Laxguy

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    A hoot, in fact!
     
  10. Aug 2, 2012 #110 of 145
    armophob

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    Dan Cathy's comments were made in a christian format media interview.
    Although pandering at the time to the audience, he has held strong to his intolerant beliefs.
    Even with his apparent ignorance of the new social media instant message world, he is willing to risk his business model on the idea of solidarity of like minded patrons, excluding everyone else.
    I have other choices and I will take them. Good luck Dan.
    If he want's my true respect he should also out women with children out of wed-lock and of course the Jews.

    It was cute when he seemed to be nostalgic of the old days when Sunday was a day of rest. But when you start targeting sections of society with hate commentary, it sets your business in a new light.
    I feel for the employees now that will suffer now for all of this with no way to clear their names.
     
  11. Aug 2, 2012 #111 of 145
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    Boston mayor Tom Menino went over the line when he basically threw down a gauntlet and told CFA that they wouldn't be welcome in 'his' city.

    I can understand saying "don't expect any tax breaks from us" - but to build a verbal wall and try to prohibit a business because their CEO has *personal* beliefs that are outdated?

    Yeah, I don't like the fact that CFA donates to the Family Research Council which actively lobbied Congress *against* passing a resolution condemning Uganda's "Kill The Gays" law.. But people have the right to their own opinions.
     
  12. Aug 2, 2012 #112 of 145
    Nick

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    There is no discrimination on the part of CFA in serving their customers. This is not about discrimination or the right to marry whomever, or even religious freedom. This is about freedom of speech, plain and simple.

    It is no less stupid than if the protesters were protesting against the color orange.

    I find it interesting that those who seek tolerance, are themselves, intolerant. That's the real hypocracy of this issue. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Aug 2, 2012 #113 of 145
    fluffybear

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    There is a CFA on the campus of NYU. Evidently a member of the city council (speaker no less) overstepped her bounds by sending NYU a letter on official city letterhead and using terms like "I write as speaker of the NYC council" (without getting city or council approval) urging NYU to evict CFA because of Cathy's comments.
     
  14. Aug 2, 2012 #114 of 145
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    You are absolutely correct, Sir! I have gone back and struck the offending word. The incessant whiners wiill no longer be referred to as "twits".

    My apologies.
     
  15. Aug 2, 2012 #115 of 145
    Chris Blount

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    This is the underlying problem. Since when did expressing basic beliefs become hate speech? Seems to be a one way street for some people. I don't like your opinions but you have to like mine.
     
  16. Aug 2, 2012 #116 of 145
    Stewart Vernon

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    I don't agree with the sentiments of the Chik Fil A owner... but I support his right to say how he feels.

    I also support the right others have to react to his statements.

    What I always find interesting... a guy comes out and says "I dislike XXX" and then people who are "XXX" react... and there's this sudden "hey, who are you to be offended by what he said?" or "free speech he can say what he wants" but it seems like people have forgotten that it applies to everyone.

    Restaurant owner can say he doesn't approve of a certain lifestyle. In doing so, he should expect some people to agree with him and others not to agree with him. Those who disagree have just as much right to disagree as he had to say his views.

    Now... I disagree with his views... but it isn't going to affect how or when I choose to eat there. I like the food, so unless I specifically see a gay person being mistreated in a store at the direction of employees... it's all about free speech and I don't have to like them any more than they like me... they just agree to make me a sandwich when I pay for it... and then we part ways.

    I'm reminded of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry & Elaine are at a restaurant and Jerry tests Elaine's seriousness on abortion rights... and asks the owner his stand... so then Elaine has to storm out... she also breaks up with her boyfriend over the same issue.

    IF I didn't patronize every establishment that I had a philosophical disagreement with... I'm not sure there would be many places left for me to patronize. Seriously... it can get out of hand in a hurry. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

    From a personal standpoint I support his right to say his beliefs... but IF I was an employee, particularly one with stock options or benefits... I would wonder how wise it is to drive off large chunks of the population. He's entitled to his beliefs but what if all the gay community boycotts + all the sympathizing other people too? IF he runs his business into the ground, was it smart?

    Meanwhile... on a semi-related front... I have a relative who used to live in Atlanta who had seen the owner out eating in a restaurant on Sunday. Think about what this means.

    The owner closes his restaurant on Sunday because of his faith... but willingly goes to another restaurant who doesn't share his belief and is ok with allowing those people to work on Sunday to serve him. I could be wrong, but I thought the "rest on Sunday" applied not just to you, but that you shouldn't cause work for others as well.

    My point here... it seems like even his beliefs suit him only when they suit him. I have to think he has felt this way about gays for most of his life... so what prompted the recent announcement?
     
  17. Aug 2, 2012 #117 of 145
    fluffybear

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    The moment it does not match your beliefs or opinions. This problem has existed since the dawn of man and will continue to exist after we have left this planet.
     
  18. Aug 2, 2012 #118 of 145
    dpeters11

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    Right, I was referring to Don Perry who had to deal with the press and such in reaction to the family's statements. Of course it could be a coincidence, but the timing Is a bit odd.
     
  19. Aug 2, 2012 #119 of 145
    hdtvfan0001

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    Totally agree.

    I eat chicken sandwiches, not executive's personal opinions.
     
  20. Aug 2, 2012 #120 of 145
    fluffybear

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    He did not come out and make an announcement but rather was being interviewed on The Ken Coleman Show a small time religious talk show.
     
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