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Ciel-2 Launched! - December 10th

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by phrelin, Nov 4, 2008.

  1. Feb 2, 2009 #161 of 199
    rocatman

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    Purely speculation but once the Nimiq 5 is launched to 72.7 W, the E-6 satellite will be freed up to probably be moved to 61.5 W to help out E-3 and E-12 especially with the 4 TPs that Dish can not provide programming from at 61.5 W. There is also the possibility that Dish will have use of all 32 TPs at 72.7 W once Nimiq 5 is launched and DirecTV moves all there programming off that slot. The Canadian government requirements on Nimiq 5 is just like Ciel-2 i.e., 50% of capacity (16 TPs) reserved for Canadian use until the satellite is launched and if there is not interest than the those 16 can be leased for use in other countries. Dish has use of 16 TPs for sure and actually Bell TV has leased the entire 32 TPs from Telesat, the satellite owner. Not sure if Bell TV plans to use those 16 TPs or is there an unoffical agreement between them and Dish on leasing the other 16 in exchange for good deals on Dish receivers since Bell TV uses Dish receivers in Canada.
     
  2. Feb 2, 2009 #162 of 199
    nospmahm

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    Should I select the transponder for 129 that gives the best signal strength?
     
  3. Feb 3, 2009 #163 of 199
    P Smith

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    For what ? And Ciel-2 is not providing anything for you or us yet.
     
  4. Feb 3, 2009 #164 of 199
    levibluewa

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    The New 129! Yeah!!!
     
  5. Feb 3, 2009 #165 of 199
    nospmahm

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    P Smith,
    OK, I asked my question about which transponder to use 1 day too soon. I am now getting stronger signals on 129 than I am on 110 and 119. Good for Dish.
    Now, do I select the strongest transponder for 129?
    I am in the dark about this satellite stuff!!!!
     
  6. Feb 3, 2009 #166 of 199
    RollTide1017

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    Do you actually select a transponder? I now you can select different ones in the signal strength test screen but, does that lock you onto that transponder? I thought it was just for test purposed and that the transponder you use depends on the channel you are watching at the moment (ie. My locals will be on tp 8 when they launch soon according to the uplink report and I've noticed that some national HD channels I watch come from tp 31 I think). So, I don't think it would be any benefit to lock onto one single transponder unless I'm wrong about how this whole thing works of course.
     
  7. Feb 3, 2009 #167 of 199
    nospmahm

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    RollTide,
    Thanks for your input. I noted channel 200 was 80 on 129, switched to the new 205 HD and it is now 42 on 129.
    That confirms I have no choice of transponders.
    Thanks
     
  8. Feb 3, 2009 #168 of 199
    JohnH

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    That is correct.
     
  9. Feb 3, 2009 #169 of 199
    Todd Nicholson

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    Transponder 21 is 80% up here in the Pacific Northwest. Nice:)
     
  10. Feb 3, 2009 #170 of 199
    tymekeeper

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    about 2X the signal, TBS HD was the worst on old 129 TP 6 at about 25 now on TP 24 at 54 in morning and 47 this afternoon. sat appears the be at 128.75 and altitude is still moving up.
     
  11. Feb 3, 2009 #171 of 199
    levibluewa

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    01 - 45
    02 - 30
    03 - 44
    04 - 45
    05 - 44
    06 - 0
    07 - 0
    08 - 43
    09 - 46
    10 - 45
    11 - 0
    12 - 31
    13 - 43
    14 - 30
    15 - 43 Spotbeam
    16 - 41
    17 - 68
    18 - 48
    19 - 54
    20 - 48
    31 - 68
    22 - 48
    23 - 54
    34 - 48
    25 - 53
    26 - 48
    27 - 54
    28 - 57
    29 - 55
    30 - 45
    31 - 55
    32 - 59

    No way to prove it, but I think some of the tp readings are from the old sat.
     
  12. Feb 3, 2009 #172 of 199
    levibluewa

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    1st 31 should be 21
     
  13. Feb 3, 2009 #173 of 199
    James Long

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    Ciel-2 can only do ConUS on TP17-32. Anything ConUS below 17 is E5.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2009 #174 of 199
    levibluewa

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    01 = 43
    02 = 29
    03 = 41
    04 = 41
    05 = 41
    06 = 0
    07 = 30 (30 sec. wait b4 a reading)
    08 = 40
    09 = 41
    10 = 37
    11 = 0
    12 = 12 (coming out of a fall)
    13 = 22
    14 = 24
    15 = 25 Spotbeam
    16 = 26
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    17 = 70
    18 = 50
    19 = 56
    20 = 51
    21 = 70
    22 = 51
    23 = 56
    24 = 52
    25 = 54
    26 = 50
    27 = 56
    28 = 60
    29 = 56
    30 = 47
    31 = 57
    32 = 61
     
  15. Feb 4, 2009 #175 of 199
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    Perfectly clear day in Western, NY and I am getting higher strengths on 1 - 16 than I am on 17 - 32 with the exception of TP17 and TP21 which are both at 67. How is that possible???
     
  16. Feb 4, 2009 #176 of 199
    P Smith

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    Don't accept reading SS after first 15 sec - it would come from adjusted tpn because if selected tpn have no lock/signal FW will shift LOF settings to autotuneup, but the range of autotune is too wide what will take other tpn.
     
  17. Feb 4, 2009 #177 of 199
    carl.066

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    As of this afternoon, in the block still in use by Echo 5 (1-16), Transponders 3, 6, 11 and 13 are either off or are now running Ciel-2 spotbeams. They are not viewable here.
    The CONUS transponders are as follows:
    17 - 84
    18 - 65
    19 - 69
    20 - 66
    21 - 84
    22 - 65
    23 - 68
    24 - 65
    25 - 66
    26 - 64
    27 - 69
    28 - 77
    29 - 71
    30 - 64
    31 - 70
    32 - 82

    I'm using 3 90cm dishes with legacy LNBs, aimed at 110, 119 and 129. Receiver is a standard 411 and switches are SW21 and GC-SW21XB.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2009 #178 of 199
    P Smith

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    I don't see significant changes here using D1000+;
    a few goes up: tp5 +10, tp7 +5, tp11 +11 but signal still fluctuating, so the delta is not a constant. :(
     
  19. Feb 5, 2009 #179 of 199
    James Long

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    I would not expect changes on TPs less that 17. Only 17-32 are ConUS.

    You may see some changes tonight on the lower TPs ... spotbeams are on 1-16.
     
  20. Feb 5, 2009 #180 of 199
    jgurley

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    What is the elevation of Ceil-2? I used James' formular of 119-110+119 and in my case it equaled 34 degrees. (both 110 and 119 are 34 on my point dish menu). Could this be right? E-5 for me was 28 degrees.

    I ask this because a member of my local avsforum is considering Dish now that our locals HD are hopefully coming soon and he wanted some info on 129.
     

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