I subbed to cinemax to watch something in particular, and when I went to cinemax's web site, I saw the channel line up, which shows 4 more channels than what Dish offers. Then I looked at Direct's cinemax offering, and they show the same as what Dish offers, plus 2 more [ thriller max, and movie max] "outer" max and "latino" max are missing on both sat providers. The bite is Dish is the same cost as Direct, but is missing "thriller" and "movie" max. Whats up with this? :raspberry What happened to" you get what you pay for"?