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Discussion in 'The OT' started by smiddy, Dec 3, 2009.
Exactly what change to their environment are you referring to?
Things like plowing up the Great Plains creating the 1930's Dust Bowl effect in conjunction with a long term drought cycle which Buffalo Grass or whatever was natural had evolved to withstand.
And other species apparently, based on paleontological evidence, also found themselves over-populated when climate changes affected the food chain at further down. They didn't invent effective birth control. It happens.
Sorry, I meant to ask what other species and what affect were you referring to?
Scientists have discovered that Dinosaur farts caused the Ice-Age
Increased gas emissions.
The obvious answer relates to the major and minor mass extinction events that have occurred. The Wikipedia entry includes this concise sentence with regard to causes:
It's at least hypothetically possible that we Homo sapiens are contributing to a period of "long-term stress" that may make things quit a bit tougher for many or all species if one or more short-term shocks occur within a relatively short period of geological time.
Human civilizations come and go. The focus of the "climate change" issue has much to do with maintaining the current dominant human civilization structure across the Earth. It's what Homo sapiens normally do, trying to maintain a favorable environment for their offspring. That's why I keep wondering who first decided there is "nature" and then there are Homo sapiens.
I don't know, or care, whether we agree politically or not. Your last couple posts have been the sanest I've seen, primarily because they seem the least politically motivated one way or another.
Stuff happens. Whoever or whatever comprises that stuff probably has some effect on what happens to the stuff.
Politically speaking, I highly suspect whatever "climate change" is happening won't be stemmed in time now, whatever the cause. I suspect wealthier nations as a whole will do better than poorer nations and poorer nations will be blamed for their own misfortune. (I once saw a Republican congressman say that rising water levels didn't matter because the U.S. could move everyone from the shore. That's easy to say when your country is a large land mass a continent wide.) This last paragraph is entirely speculation, so it is likely to contain many faults.
Phrelin, no where in the Wiki article did it put any blame on any animal species for the mass or minor extinctions that have occurred in the past. Man, however is responsible for many species's extinction, and eventually perhaps our own.
Nature is all about equilibrium. Nature will win out, we just might not be around to see it. Nature, earth's eco system, does not need man to survive, but we do. And to think we are independent (not sure that is word I want to use) of Nature is a very pompous, egotistical and unrealistic attitude.
There is a Greek saying, "A dog doesn't sh** in it's own bed". But we do.
When the book Silent Spring appeared, I became what we term today as an environmentalist. It actually took several decades for me to learn what human pain and anguish from malaria in the third world the absolute ban on DDT and related pesticides caused. And it has been relatively recent that I learned that we banned it world wide when the problem was horrendous overuse in the U.S. by corporate farming and chemical interests.
That, and the discovery early on in Al Gore's "environmentalism" that he cynically voted for funding of environmentally damaging Tennessee Valley Authority power projects, made me angry at myself for not trying to take a bigger view of supposed solutions to environmental problems - a who wins and who loses view, as well as what species win and what species lose.
Heck we all know that the melting of the Arctic ice might be a win for the Russians and Canadians and a loss for certain islanders in the tropics. For the multinational oil companies there could be real gains as they cut deals with the Russians. That could fuel (no pun intended) the economic development of India and China. What it will do to the U.S. is anyone's guess.
For me, it's hard to have a generalized political view with strong "right and wrong" takes. Like everything else, some things I think are bad choices for me and mine. I hate unthinking politicians, though.
I don't mean to be callus but it very well could be Nature's way of controlling the population of a species. It happens all the time in nature. Why does humans think we are above that. We certainly can't control population growth on our own.
Well, the weather does keep doing its thing. From the LA Times:
Damn right! Priorities, dammit! I can care less about that trivial stuff. I want my double bacon whopper with fries!
Auntie Em! Auntie Em!
We are finally getting to "normal" temperatures today. Supposed to get to 80 tomorrow which is a bit above normal, but not enough to balance out the season so far. Thanks to the prolonged cold, we have had a SERIOUS fish kill in the Indian River Lagoon. I went to my favorite local hangout http://www.riversidecafe.com/ last night to enjoy my favorite local band and I couldn't stay because of the stink. I don't know how the band was able to continue playing. Thankfully the river is 4 blocks away from the house so it isn't so bad here.
And the storms are pounding California. From the AP:
And from the Sacramento Bee:
Ice fog today folks, I've never seen that here before, it looks kewl though. Yep, still colder this year here!
Ice fog can lead to deposits of Rime Ice, IIRC. If you see large deposits of white ice on trees and power lines, that in all probability is Rime Ice, which can down both trees and power lines. It can also disrupt communications by being deposited on antennas.
I hadn't noticed any build up...
Here is the coldest thing I heard of this year so far.
But, it is only January.
This guy has dedicated his life to the poor.
All these issues here and in the world boil down to respect. That is the deep freeze mankind is experiencing and I do not see a turn around any generation soon.
The first half of Jan 2010 was much colder than the first half of Jan '09.
Currently we are much warmer than the last half of Jan '09. The end of Jan '09 is when the massive ice storm paralyzed several states for a week or more.
I've been thinking about what it means that we're all discussing the weather. That used to be a sign of people without much to talk about.:sure:
Great minds discuss ideas, good minds talk about things, small minds talk about people, and we talk about the weather. :smaileinh