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Colder this year?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by smiddy, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    "Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species where one organism, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the host."


    I think we may fall under more of an infection. Whether or not that is viral by nature is up to the individual I suppose..
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    The typical virus can't reproduce... and uses the reproductive abilities of other tissue to propagate itself... so I don't think animal life qualifies on any level as virus-like.

    The definition of parasite suits us very well, especially if we are viewed as having a negative effect on the earth... then we would be parasites to the earth... using it for our own sustenance and giving nothing back.

    I'm not saying *I* believe it... but parasite certainly fits better than virus.
     
  3. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

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    Ok, back to the cold, a couple of feet of white stuff in Philly, the most they've seen in a long time. The snow on the ground will have an impact on their immediate environment. It will keep them colder than usual.
     
  4. armophob

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    True, and I started my posts using parasite. I suppose it would be best to be consistent here. Humans are more parasitic than viral in my opinion.
     
  5. Richard King

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    It's currently 43, going to 38 tonight. Normal high is 74, normal low is 54 degrees. High tomorrow is expected to be 63. I might have to fire up the fireplace tomorrow.
     
  6. SayWhat?

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    Without a doubt, humanity is the single-most destructive parasite the Earth has ever hosted. No other being in the history of the planet has done so much damage is so short a time of existance.
     
  7. Lord Vader

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    It's not his "opinions" I care about. It's his simple relating of factual information that cannot be altered one way or the other via opinions--his, yours, or mine. John simply laid out the information about the sun, its output, global temperatures, tropical storm formation, and related events over the last 100-120 years or so. He touched upon earlier times, but as that 8-minute video showed, it wasn't he who was forecasting weather or making predictions based on models; rather, he just explained what the sun was doing and the effect it had on this planet.

    His facts, thankfully, are irrefutable. His performance as a weatherman leave much to be desired, at least that was the case when he was here in Chicago, where he spent most of his career. He was on a couple different stations here and oftentimes had THE most outrageous forecasts, some to the point where people here would go, "Yeah, right!"

    When I first heard that he got into this "global warming" issue by saying Al Gore should be sued for fraud--something I have decided is a good idea--I admittedly figured John had once again gotten a bit too extreme; but when I saw that video, and the recent one to which I linked earlier, I realized that here was a guy, regardless of his sometimes past flamboyant style, presented things in a simplistic, calm, and explanatory manner.

    Joe Bastardi of Accuweather.com did something similar. For example, before his show went on hiatus, Bill Maher was telling guests, "The debate is over. Global Warming is here. Just look at southern California. It's a tinder box because it's so dry. Wildfires are all over the place because things have gotten so dry and hot due to Global Warming."

    Well, what Bill is too stupid to understand (BTW, I watch his show and like it for some reason) is that, as Joe Bastardi scientifically explained on one of the national news programs a couple months ago, the prevalence of wildfires is actually the result of COOLING! As he explained, the Pacific waters off the coast of California have been cooler than normal for quite some time. This causes a high pressure to build over the region, causing the air to sink and compress on the west coast. Compressed, sinking air sucks all the moisture out of the air, causing it to become excessively dry and warmed, ironically, by the sun. This leads to an ever-increasing fire danger. Had "Global Warming" been the issue here, it would have actually helped, as it would have been able to lead to storm formation and helpful rains.
     
  8. phrelin

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    It appears that Global Warming has caused a major problem in Europe according to this AP article:
    Yep, that darned warming causes more problems.
     
  9. Lord Vader

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    No, no, no. You don't understand, do you. Global Warming caused all this snow! Didn't you see The Day After Tomorrow?
     
  10. armophob

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    Good movie. Which was better, The Day After or The Day After Tomorrow? Barring special effects of course.

    Either way, The End is Near Lord Vader.;):lol:
     
  11. Lord Vader

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    The Day After was better.

    The end is not near, for the Sith shall live to rule!
     
  12. SayWhat?

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    "The Day After", hands down.

    Love the sight of all the missiles launching from the cornfields.
     
  13. Lord Vader

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    And the people being vaporized! :D
     
  14. smiddy

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    It is still cold!
     
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    Young son looking out the window, to his mother: "Mom! Mom! Come look at all the global warming on the ground. It's be-U-tiful!"
     
  16. mystic7

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    Really? Here in the Charlotte area we've already had quite a few nights in the low 20's and highs in the 30's and 40's. Now, I've only been here 4 years, but the previous winters I remember not seeing temps like that until mid-January to February.

    Not that I'm complaining! After 17 miserable years in Hell a/k/a S. Florida, I love this weather!
     
  17. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Ok...now I'm confused..Do you care about our environment that allows man to exist(?) or you are willing to tear down a mountain, in total disregard to it's affect/contribution to the overall ecosystem for your own personal ego home building?
    Just pointing out some contradictions. BTW: I agree with the majority of your posts....:)
     
  18. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    I just do not want to be hypocritical in the posts. I have no children or any other stakes in the future. However, I don't dump my used engine oil down the gutter like in the old days. But believe me, it is the laws and fear of fines that curbed that behavior.
    People require motivation for behavior modification, including myself, is really my basic point. Sometimes that includes fear of immediate doom for quicker action.
     
  19. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Myself included. My philosophy in all this is that people are generally lazy when it comes to activities that don't directly benefit them. So it is a no brainer to recycle, "put everything in one container and we will do it" then people will do it. But if it requires extraordinary or inconvenient effort, especially when the results don't reflect in the increase in the thickness of the wallet, people won't do it.

    I can cite examples of both that I have encountered and my reactions but I have Christmas weight gaining fare to make. :)
     
  20. Cholly

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    Let's get to the heart of the matter. Much of what we're seeing around the world now falls under the category of "weather changes".
    On the other hand, Global Warming/Global cooling falls under the category of "climate changes".
    Getting to the nitty gritty, what we have been experiencing is "Global Climate Change" -- a deviation from the normal swings seen over the millennia. Climate scientists focus on very long term trends, as opposed to weird events like we see with the current El Nino/tropical jet events. There's no denying the monster snows that occured in the Philadelphia and Washington areas this past weekend. At the same time, normally snowy areas like Upstate New York were largely spared. An interesting starting point for understanding Climate Change is found on the EPA's web site, with many links included. http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basicinfo.html

    When it comes to human contributions to Climate Change, consider this. Since 1927, the population of the world has more than tripled. By 2050, it is expected to increase by almost 40%. See: http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/worldpopulation.htm
    From the same site: "How fast is the world's population growing?
    The world's current growth rate is about 1.3%, representing a doubling time of 54 years. We can expect the world's population of approximately 6 billion to become 12 billion by 2054 if the current rate of growth continues. The world's growth rate peaked in the 1960s at 2% and a doubling time of 35 years."
    Population is not directly responsible for the changes that climatologists worry about. A dog casts a larger carbon footprint than a man. Rather, it's the indirect impact of population growth and technology that concerns them. More people means more consumption of food, hence deforestation to increase pasture lands for cattle, which in turn means more release of greenhouse gases; not just carbon dioxide, but equally importantly, methane.

    Clearly, human activities are having an effect on climate. Consider this topic: Deforestation. From the National Geographic web site - http://www.nationalgeographic.com/eye/deforestation/effect.html

    Fossil fuels: No, the use of fossil fuels didn't start in the 1800's. Ancient Romans used coal as a source of heat. What is unique about the 1800's is the Industrial Revolution, which accelerated the use of coal. Also, the 1800's saw the beginning of significant use of petroleum as a fuel. Aside from the pollution caused by the burning of fossil fuels (carbon dioxide, sulfur compounds, methane for example), there exists the fact that fossil fuels are NOT renewable energy forms (it tookk millions of years to form them). Additionally there is an economic impact - our dependency on foreign countries as our major source of petroleum.

    Obviously, it is in our best interests to explore the use of sustainable sources of energy, such as wind farms, solar panels and hydroelectric plants for electric power. It's also economically smart to use CFL's, hybrid cars and energy efficient appliances.
     

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