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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by valleygreen22, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. Apr 3, 2011 #1081 of 2405
    tonyd79

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    Every trend has its opposite. Every rule its exception. Focus on the exceptions and you will not see the overall. Free markets lead to monopolies.
     
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    I really don't want to keep beating this poor dead horse, but first: where did I say that DirecTV WOULDN'T get many thousands of customers from Comcast?! I made that very point! Verizon's initial brief to the FCC to close the loophole made the point that DBS penetration in markets where the loophole prevents carriage of an RSN is lower than the national average. That's the whole point - closing the loophole would, of course, lead to DirecTV taking customers from Comcast. Which is exactly why Comcast won't happily/readily give it to DirecTV and Dish.

    That's what I don't get in this line of argument - if DirecTV COULD take the channel, they would. But that's the rub... they can't get the channel unless they first petition the FCC that not having the channel is hurting them in this market. If DirecTV would take the channel if they could, but then doesn't take the necessary step to get the channel... what does that tell you?

    Also Tony made the point that this move would seriously piss of Comcast. To which I replied: so? When are they NOT pissed off at DirecTV? Hasn't stopped Comcast from going full bore after DirecTV in the past. Besides, as I argued, since getting the channel would eat into Comcast's lock on the Philly area, it's hard to see how such a move (going to the FCC to take the channel) hurts DirecTV in any way. That was MY point... not Tony's. If such a move (going to the FCC) really does stand to hurt DirecTV, I haven't heard the case made.

    Which brings me back full-circle... why isn't DirecTV making the move for the channel?

    Again, Tony made the point that going to the FCC would cause Comcast to get pissed off at DirecTV, thereby hurting DirecTV. I made the point that such a case makes no sense - that DirecTV stands to gain a great deal of market-share in this region if they get the channel. But Comcast won't just give them the channel, and the FCC has put in place the mechanism for DirecTV to get the channel.

    I just don't understand why DirecTV hasn't petitioned the FCC yet - I know there has to be a reason, but I also think that the claims that they're giving to customers who ask about it, are just fabrications. I don't buy the notion that Comcast is the hold-up here.
     
  3. Apr 4, 2011 #1083 of 2405
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    But that is the one we're discussing in this thread, assuming it is a monopoly, of course. The government's definition seem to be a moving target. We'll have to wait for our betters in Washington to clue us in on that.

    As John Stossel said recently, "When politicians get drunk, the rest of us get hangovers."
     
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    14 year hangover wow that some pretty strong stuff. they probably were getting drunk off moonshine
     
  5. Apr 4, 2011 #1085 of 2405
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    jpl,
    Do we know that D* (or E*, for that matter) hasn't petitioned the FCC?
     
  6. Apr 4, 2011 #1086 of 2405
    tonyd79

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    You brought in the cheering for a free market, not I. And, yes, the target for what is a monopoly is a moving one. Even when it is somewhat stable, the boundary is fuzzy, as it should be. Most of the moving comes from the administration. For example, most Republicans tend to be more lenient on monopolies, moving the line in one direction. Most Democrats (Obama hasn't shown his leaning yet), tend to be tougher on monopolistic tendencies. Both sides tend to agree that total monopolies are not good, but where they define the boundary varies.

    And this case pretty much came down to a single politician getting his favorite money trough to make money. Or at least what they think makes them money. I am not sure it really does overall.
     
  7. Apr 4, 2011 #1087 of 2405
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    I'm not jpl, but -

    I believe such complaints are made public record immediately. So, the fact that we haven't heard of one yet would seem to indicate nobody has filed a complaint.

    The closest we got was a few months back, when Echostar told the press that they were considering filing a petition for negotiations not being done in "good faith". But that threat was never followed up on.

    I believe the press then asked Directv about themselves and Comcast, and Directv gave a non-answer "we are constantly evaluating, blah, blah, blah". I think Comcast was asked and went with "no comment"...
     
  8. Apr 4, 2011 #1088 of 2405
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    Unfortunately, you simply got another non-answer.

    Hell, Echostar and Directv filed for the "right to negotiate" over a year ago. That's just a formality that says you're interested, and plan to negotiate with the owner of the channel to carry it. But there's no commitment attached to it (no timetable for when it might happen/how long it would take/etc). It's completely meaningless...
     
  9. Apr 4, 2011 #1089 of 2405
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    I emailed someone at the FCC a few weeks ago about CSN Philly and D* in their response was that D* has not filed any complaint as of that date about Comcrap withholding CSN Philly. I posted the response here several weeks back.
     
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    well there you have it with directv not filing anything taht tells you comcast will just sit back relax and continue on.
     
  11. Apr 5, 2011 #1091 of 2405
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    I am SOOO mad at DirecTV now. The fact that they have chosen not to act is bewildering. What a bunch of idiots!
     
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    Take some Ativan and chill.
     
  13. Apr 5, 2011 #1093 of 2405
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    As posted earlier, here is the response I received from Margo Davenport at the FCC concerning my inquiry into the CSN Philly and D* issue (I underlined and bolded the pertinent portion to our discussion):

    "Thanks for contacting the Federal Communications Commission (“Commission”) concerning the availability of Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia to consumers who subscribe to satellite television service.

    As you may know, on January 20, 2010, the Commission adopted a First Report and Order (FCC 10-17) establishing procedures for the Commission to review, on a case-by-case basis, complaints from multichannel video programming distributors (“MVPDs”), such as satellite television carriers, concerning “unfair acts” related to the availability of terrestrially delivered cable-affiliated programming. The Order permits complainants to allege “unfair acts” involving terrestrially delivered cable-affiliated programming. For your information and review, the full text of the First Report and Order is available on the Commission's website (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-17A1.pdf).

    At this time, the Commission has not received a complaint from a satellite television carrier alleging that Comcast has engaged in an unfair act regarding the availability of Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia. Please be assured that should such a complaint be filed, the matter will be evaluated carefully and the Commission would take appropriate action.

    I hope that this information is helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of further assistance."

    So, when will D* file a complaint with the FCC? Do they really think Comcrap will negotiate in good faith about CSN Philly?
     
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    Thought occured to me. Maybe they are dealing in good faith. Maybe the price is very high and Fios was willing to pay it because of their physical investment in the Philly area.

    We assume that Comcast is not offering a fair deal to DirecTV and Dish but maybe they are in terms of their asking price. If everyone pays the same price (including a bookkeeping tap dance for their own systems), that would be defined as fair.
     
  15. Apr 7, 2011 #1095 of 2405
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    I noticed last night and today that there is no Phillies feed on MLB EI, just the Mets feed (which thankfully SNY is one of my RSN's, so I get to watch that way), but in the past there used to be a Philly feed, just it was blacked out.

    Is CSN Philly now not even allowing their signal for MLB EI?
     
  16. Apr 7, 2011 #1096 of 2405
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    Last nights game was not on csn. They were broadcasting 76ers game.

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    The Phillies broadcast was on PHL17 last night, not Comcast. I'm not sure if EI ever broadcasts PHL17 or not since all Phillies games are blacked out on EI for me.
     
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    tonyd79

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    They have, yes.
     
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    Speaking about CSN Phila. with NBA and NHL playoffs on tap next weekend will we get any coverage of the first round via national channels for our Phila. teams .I am hoping even though the Sixers will be deep underdog to Miami OR Boston I,ll get to see a game or two since I have seen just 1 game on TNT early in the year and the 4 games with the Knicks on MSG which had said before is my RSN till and if we ever get CSN .Thanks to anyone with info just another Phila. fan living in South Jersey.
     
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    Well, I just found out that my Sabres games will be blacked out here in Philly. All are CSN-Philly exclusives in Philly other than game 6 (NBC).

    Amazing - I watch the Sabres all year and now, every game will be blacked out.

    I hope they beat the Flyers in 4 so I can see them again in round 2.
     

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