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Comcast Philadelphia

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by valleygreen22, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. adkinsjm

    adkinsjm Icon

    Mar 25, 2003
    Comcast would still have to offer CSN at a fair rate. The rates it charges to other cable companies in Pennsylvania and to Verizon (CSN is on FIOS), and the rate CSN charges to Comcast systems (Yes, the cable company pays itself for CSN) is a baseline for the FCC to judge negotiations.
  2. jpl

    jpl Hall Of Fame

    Jul 9, 2006
    First, Comcast wouldn't be allowed to charge DirecTV a usery rate for CSN. They're just not allowed to engage in those practices. Second, DirecTV has made repeated plays for the channel - they seriously want it. Not sure where you live, but if you drive through this area you would understand why. Dish penetration rates in this area are way below the national average (a point that Verizon made in their brief when they first petitioned for the closing of the loophole). Some 40% below the national average for a market this size. The reason? Lack of access to CSN Philly. They stand to gain big time if they push for the channel.

    Next, there's nothing unique about Comcast's arrangement with CSN. Lots of RSNs are owned by cable companies (look at the whole discussion of MSG). Besides, the genesis of who owns what channels is utterly irrelevent. It matters not at all if an RSN started out being owned by a broadcast company vs. a cable company. That's a non-sequitir. The question is: who owns the channel TODAY. This is no different than having an independent cable channel being bought out by a cable company. As soon as it's picked up by a service provider, the rules applicable to a service provider automatically become effective for that channel. Independent cable channels can withhold their feeds from whichever service company they desire. But as soon as the channel gets bought by another cable company, the loophole kicks in - and if that channel is distributed by satellite at all, then that company no longer has a say as to who can and can't carry their channel.

    And the fact that they (Comcast) carried the channel before DirecTV even became a company... um... what? What in the world does that have to do with anything?! Again look at MSG. The FCC just ordered CV to offer up the channel to both U-Verse and FiOS - two systems that were nowhere in existence when CV first took ownership of that channel. This is another non-sequitir.

    IF DirecTV petitioned the FCC for the channel (which I believe they have), the path that will be followed is all be pre-determined - it will be the exact same path followed for giving MSG to FiOS/U-Verse. The FCC will review DirecTV's petition, to determine if they're being harmed by not having the channel. The FCC WILL find in DirecTV's favor, and order Comcast and DirecTV to come to terms on the carriage of the channel, giving them 30 days to do so. After that, DirecTV will have access to the channel. They won't be required to pay an exhorbitant amount for the channel - they can't be. Otherwise, believe me, CV would be making Verizon and AT&T pay through the nose not just for MSG but for all the Rainbow channels as well (CV has fought like hell in preventing even the Rainbow channels from going to Verizon and AT&T - when FiOS first came out they didn't carry any Rainbow channels either because of this - they went to the FCC who forced CV to cough up the channels).

    Finally, it doesn't matter if Comcast would be 'shooting themselves in the foot.' They would have no choice in the matter... none... zero.... zilch... nada. The FCC would FORCE them to comply.
  3. Grafixguy

    Grafixguy Godfather

    Mar 15, 2008
    New Jersey
    You haven't done a lot of research have you?

    For starters CSN Philly is available on FiOS in SD and HD. Secondly there are rules in place that prevent price gouging to avoid providing channels to other carriers. All financial dealing have to be fair and equitable. Since CSN Philly already appears on other cable systems and FiOS the framework for an arrangement is there.

    It only took a few days from the time the FCC ordered MSG and VZ to come to an agreement on the HD feeds that one was in place.
  4. jpl

    jpl Hall Of Fame

    Jul 9, 2006
    Correct - I've been a FiOS TV subscriber for 4 1/2 years and have had CSN Philly (both SD and HD) since day one. Also, RCN carried CSN Philly too (don't know if they have it in HD, though).
  5. satman85

    satman85 New Member

    Dec 10, 2011
    This all a lot of bull ****!!!
  6. pennStateFootball

    pennStateFootball AllStar

    Nov 21, 2008
    That's an understatement
  7. JoeTheDragon

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    But what about CN / TCN Philly that has the CSN Philly + games? Comcast wants a high price for that and RCN does not have it and misses out on the CSN + games. Also right now Dish and directv can pick it up now if they want to. So comcast may try more ticks over CSN Philly even after being forced by the courts to give up CSN Philly. They may even use the courts to try to get NFL ST.
  8. edgo41

    edgo41 AllStar

    Jul 2, 2007
    Harbeson, DE
    Sent my complaint in yesterday and received an email from the FCC today. It looks like they don't want any complaints about this:

    You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC.

    Dear Mr. ,

    This email is in response to your complaint, 11-C00354975, regarding Comcast Sportsnet.

    The Commission released a ruling on January 20, 2010 taking steps to close the "terrestrial loophole," an exemption in the rules that allowed cable operators to trip up their satellite-TV competition by withholding access to certain programming - mainly sports. This ruling will allow multichannel video programming distributors to petition the FCC for access to blocked programming. The ruling also prevents cable companies from cutting off access to programming during program renewal negotiations.

    Subscribers will not immediately gain access to certain sports programming. This order will now force cable companies to enter into negotiations with satellite providers to receive access to certain programming. Cable companies are not automatically required to hand over their sports programming, competitors would still need to request and negotiate carriage deals with them. For those non-cable MVPD subscribers, there is a possibility that they will receive more of the programming that had been blocked for so long by cable companies.

    Consumers should not file complaints directly with the FCC. Consumers should send their complaints to their multi- channel video program distributor. The FCC can only intervene if a MVPD files a complaint with the FCC complaining a cable competitor is engaging in unfair acts in withholding certain programming or if the MVPD files a request with the FCC for arbitration in a contract dispute/negotiation with a cable competitor.

    Please see the attachment for further information.

    Thank you for contacting the FCC,

    This e-mail contains an attachment that is in ".pdf" format. If you are unable to open this attachment, it is most likely because your computer doesn't have Adobe Reader, which is the program needed to open these types of files. You can install a free copy of Adobe Reader from the Adobe Web site at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.

    Mailout Attachment Name : TERRLOOP.PDF (see attachment <TERRLOOP.PDF>)
    Representative Number : TSR23

    I really wonder if D* is actually pursuing this??
  9. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    The FCC has never taken consumer complaints unless it has to do with something specific in a broadcast, i.e.. wardrobe malfunctions.

    That's why I always laugh when people threaten on here to file a complaint with the FCC about service issues or a companies business model.

    If you live in this market and want this to stop I would write your senator as he's the main reason a lot of this is allowed.
  10. tonyd79

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Actually, CSN Philly was a new entity in 1997, well after Directv was in business.

    Rainbow and Cablevision owned the previous channels Prism and Sportschannel. Comcast bought assets and set ups CSN after as a microwave only entity.
  11. adkinsjm

    adkinsjm Icon

    Mar 25, 2003
    I filed an FCC Complaint against my small local cable company for its encryption of QAM feeds and got a call back from the head of video operations. I don't know if it worked, but the QAM feeds were soon in the clear.
  12. wilbur_the_goose

    wilbur_the_goose Hall Of Fame

    Aug 16, 2006
    I posted a complaint on the FCC website. Can't hurt :)
  13. hbg ota nut

    hbg ota nut AllStar

    Nov 19, 2010
    Blue ridge?
  14. n3ntj

    n3ntj Hall Of Fame

    Dec 18, 2006
    I also filed a complaint to the FCC about Comcrap and their CSN Philly network. Can't hurt.
  15. adkinsjm

    adkinsjm Icon

    Mar 25, 2003
    Nope. Smaller company when I lived in Northwestern Minnesota a few years ago.
  16. cypherx

    cypherx Hall Of Fame

    Aug 27, 2010
    PA - Berks...
    Ok, I did my part. FCC Complaint sent.
  17. jeepwrang3

    jeepwrang3 Legend

    Aug 19, 2006
    I filed a complaint with the FCC a few months back about the lack of broadband where I live. We dont have any hardline broadband options, and Verizon refuses to deploy DSL. Even the wifi broadband is only able to be used by a few houses within the community. About after a week of filing, I got a call from Comcast stating their intention to do another survey about an install. Mind you, we're miles from the current substation. Verizon sent a letter again saying F you guys for living in the woods, and the local Wifi company said they hope to improve service in the next 30-60 days aka when the leaves fall.

    Ultimately for me the FCC complaint did help as Comcast is currently planning on an install for our community of roughly 300. Whats the worst that it can do, make the FCC realize there's a hoard of angry people out there who dont feel like we're being represented?
  18. fireponcoal

    fireponcoal Icon

    Sep 26, 2009
    With it's customers doing their part it makes me wonder when Direct TV might follow suit?
  19. wilbur_the_goose

    wilbur_the_goose Hall Of Fame

    Aug 16, 2006
    Methinks it's not all D*'s fault. Wouldn't CSN-Philly be up on Echostar if it were simply a matter of requesting the channel?
  20. n3ntj

    n3ntj Hall Of Fame

    Dec 18, 2006
    I would agree.. if it were simply a 'Comcrap using the NHL ST issue', this doesn't explain E* doesn't have CSN Philly. I am sure that D* is closely following the MSG/FiOS issue. I would think that D* has already requested CSN Philly (from Comcrap) and is prepared to do the same through the FCC (if not already done). We won't have any idea of contract negotiations b/w the parties unless a deal is done and announced. I don't know if the FCC posts provider inquiries and requests on its website or not.

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