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Comcast Philadelphia

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by valleygreen22, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. jpl

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    So... based on what you've written, they've been in negotiations with the DBS providers for 18 months... and you think that shows there's progress?! I guess it can't possibly mean that Comcast is dragging its feet... right?

    And there's another part, which runs counter to your 'they're not hiding behind the loophole' argument - why did they join the lawsuit, along with CableVision, on the FCC's ability to close the loophole if that's true? They did. They were party to the initial lawsuit. It's true that after the initial court found in the FCC's favor that Comcast decided not to appeal (they left that to CV to do). I'm sorry, but all of Comcast's actions run counter to your claim (e.g. they're pretty recent claim that they would give up CSN Philly... just as soon as DirecTV gave up NFL ST - sure sounds like they're hiding behind the loophole to me).
     
  2. Jimmy 440

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    I usually don't post in this thread but I will today.Last week I called with a problem with the bill.After that was taken care of I thought for giggles I would ask about CSNP negotiations.They said they were NOT negotiating with C ,but were in DISCUSSIONS according to his memo that he had in reference to CSNP.Knock yourselves out with this boys ! <lol>
     
  3. la24philly

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    not negotiating but there in discussions HMMM it means absolutly nothing.
     
  4. la24philly

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    maybe its been me all this time. I'm moving to NC next month. I wonder if im the bad luck guy.

    watch when I move CSN will be on lol
     
  5. Jake34

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    La24philly.....if getting you out the state gets us Comcast Philly I will help you pack..lol
     
  6. wilbur_the_goose

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    CSN-Philly obviously puts their signal up on satellite. How else do we see CSN "look ins" on NHL network and NBA network? Oh yeah, highlights in HD on ESPN to boot.
     
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    I may not remember right, but I want to say Comcast pledged not to continue their challenge against the FCC as part of their efforts to acquire NBCU. That being said, Comcast did state after the takeover that, in their opinion, the conditions imposed by the FCC as a result of the merger did NOT apply to CSN Philly. I doubt Comcast's take is actually true, but it will take an FCC challenge to force Comcast to do anything.
     
  8. wilbur_the_goose

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    Can a citizen issue a formal complaint with the FCC?
     
  9. chuckmc

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    If I correctly read a recent FCC report concerning RSN's then guidelines concerning CSN Philly now follow rules set by the FCC when comcast and NBC merged. I believe part of these rules specify that comcast can't withhold programming and can be forced into binding arbitration.
     
  10. chuckmc

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    i should have added that the FCC published the report on Jan 6th, 2012
     
  11. Grafixguy

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    But one fact remains unchanged...DirecTV must bring this to the FCC before anything can/will happen.

    They're either reluctant to do this or they've managed to do it secretly.
     
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    or negotiations are moving in a positive and productive way or a deal is done but infrastructre is going to take time to complete.

    SR has taught me a lot:)
     
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    I am glad that someone else mentioned about CSN must be using satellite to send signal to other sources .When I mentioned that they must be to feed to league extra packages as well as sports networks update and highlights.This was dismissed with the answer that they are only using fiber optics.I am not tech geek but, how could all this transmitting happen in this HD digital age without somewhere in the mix that satellite is not used.
     
  14. JoeTheDragon

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    I have seen CSN Philly on NHL extra on CSN Chicago and it's the full CSN Philly Feed - local ad brakes.
     
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    We can only hope that D* is moving on this using the FCC rulings and the lack of DBS penetration into the Philly DMA but we'll never know until an official announcement is made that a carriage agreement has been reached b/w both sides.
     
  16. Grafixguy

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    They may well be putting up occasional feeds via satellite but they are not distributing the channel itself full time to MSOs via satellite. That is the key here.
     
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    Haha! Well, how long did DirecTV negotiate with amc, and some of the other providers? More than any 18 months. In fact they have been negotiating with Comcast for csnnw for longer than that I believe. Isn't that channel three years old now? Heck, I think they where negotiating with hbo for what four or five years for a new carriage agreement. That one no one really even cared to much about because they basically agreed to continue status que while they where negotiating after the contract ran out, but not until after they finally agreed to new terms did we see more hd channels from them and so on, so unfortunately, 18 months isn't that long.

    There is no way on earth DirecTV is going to want to go to arbitration to get the channel either. They don't want a third party deciding how much they should have to pay and what services should be included in that pricing, if they could even file a petition and get that to happen in the first place. They could get stuck with a price that they feel wouldn't make them more money by the number of subscribers they would gain over say the first two years. That would not be good for them. Plus there is no way they want to set the percent of arbitration to solve these disputes, otherwise they'd lose a ton of bargaining power with all broadcasters.

    As for the lawsuit, that was longer than any 18 months ago they got involved in that. I don't deny one bit that Comcast was initially hiding behind it. I am just saying now, it's simply a pricing issue. And besides, that loophole can affect many stations, not just one. Why not help get it closed and join in with others so you can hedge your bets and not have to spend as much on lawyer fees.


    I have not read that last thing you said there, so I don't know the context. It could signal what your saying, but i doubt it, or it could signal that Comcast is basically saying, we aren't going to agree to their pricing because we feel it wouldn't allow us to make up the difference in monies we'd loose by letting them add that channel to their lineup, because I am sure they are figuring the loss of some customers to DirecTV in how much they want to charge for that channel so that they make as much or money overall from the deal as a whole. But if they could get Sunday ticket as well, then the loss of customers could be made up by them with the gain of nflst subs.

    Nothing that Comcast has ever done runs contrary to my claim. They won't let that channel go for less than what they think it is worth, and since letting that channel go to competitors would cause them to loose subs, the cost of letting that channel go to competitors is astronomically higher for them than most RSNs. Not many situations exists that are quite this extreme.
     
  20. inkahauts

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    Well there is a question of technicality here. They may not use sat at all' I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. What they may do (and this could be in part because the leagues packages demand it to be available out of market) is allow a broadcaster or provider access to their fiber feed, and then tell them they have to pay for and operate their own facilities to get it to their sats, and the Comcast won't provide any support for that. It could also be that the producers of the games supplies Comcast with the feeds as well as sats, with the knowledge that they must use all of comcasts logos, etc. there are many different things that could be going on.

    That could actually also be a huge issue with DirecTV. They could be having a huge argument over who pays to get the signal to DirecTV and it's upkeep in the first place.
     

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