Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by valleygreen22, Mar 7, 2010.
Glad you chimed in with inaccurate info.
You didn't I did. That's how they could get the channel n faster, but then DirecTV might get stuck with a higher fee than they want. And yes, I meant 18 months is very normal for the voluntary route, not a FCC mandated route, but no one wants that in this situation between DBS and Comcast for Philly. And if they don't come to an agreement in 30 days who decides what the pricing will be? An arbitrator perhaps?
And your definition of good faith may not be correct for this situation. Maybe they have offered it to DirecTV for a price they get from Fios, but DirecTV refuses to consider that price because it lacks certain things, like lower rates for a national feed which no one else has, and they'd have to pay for building the infustructer to get the channel, etc.
I think you misinterpret what I said about the NBC Comcast merger. They would never make guarantees about anything, in terms of their channels being on certain platforms etc, but they would not refuse to offer it either. I interpret it simply as they'd not hide behind a loophole that had been closed anyway by fighting the loophole.
Yeah they fought it on the backs of someone else, and got out of it when they where abut to get the merger through. Coincidence? Again, that's old news and doesn't matter for today anyway.
Again, you keep taking about users rates, but don't seem to get the picture that their rates may be higher than DirecTV would consider paying in the first place without them being usery, that they'd not want to pick up the tab for infistructer that would be required and there by artificially inflate the cost of the channel without actually increase its costs, and you don't have a clue what else has been discussed in terms of rights to the channel beyond basic carriage of it in the market. Its not at all clear the negotiations are not in good faith, because we don't know anything about what has been offered from either side at all. You simply assuming that the fact they hid behind the loop hole for years means they wouldn't negotiate in good faith. That's a bad assumption.
I think they will absolutely let the channel go, for the fit price, and costs to them. The problem is those numbers are different than what dish and DirecTV want to spend right now. And it's not something DirecTV is going to want the FCC to force ever! That'd be very very bad for this situation i said it before, and I'll say it again, I think the best chance anyone has of that channel ending up on DirecTV is when DirecTV next negotiates for rights to many of their other channels like USA, etc...
And that situation was still completely different than this one, I don't know why you think the two can be so closely compared.
Phillies have announced 2012 spring training telecast, and have added alot. 17 games will be aired on CSN / TCN/ PHL 17 total. ESPN is doing 2 games but both of those will also be on CSN / TCN so expect to be blacked out in philadelphia. below is the link of all games on phillies telecasts
15 non phillies telecase as of now are non TV games, but they could be on other teams broadcast, but not all teams have announced there TV spring schedule.
So I expect YES to pick up a few games especially when they play phillies. I remember last year, the games werent blacked out.
I'm getting ready to dump D* after my latest conversation with Jason in their "escalated"
customer service department. I was told very clearly that Comcast refuses to share and that I need to voice my complaint to the FCC and PA Attorney General because D* hands are tied. He stated that there are FCC guidelines they need to follow and D* is working with the FCC on developing that process. When I quoted directly from the FCC ruling about requesting channel access, he told me that was incorrect. Frankly, I'm getting fed up with the run-around and I'm ready to leave.
I seriously doubt anyone you could ever actually talk to would know the actual status or what could be done in terms of negotiations or legal angles. They don't pay those lawyers and negotiators to ever talk to customers.
The PA attorney general has no pull in the matter and neither do Pennsylvania courts.
The issue is b/w D*, Comcrap, their lawyers, and the FCC. The AG's office has no power in this concern. Complaining to the FCC won't do anything. D* needs to take the lead on this. Until they do, nothing will happen.
I talking about the lawyers and negotiators for DirecTV. Nothing to do with the pa ag.
That's precisely my point. D* needs to take point on this and for me to be told its up to the customers to complain to either the FCC or PA Ag is ludicrous.
Amen to your thoughts patman99 and others .We here have done our part in contacting everybody that we could.Hopefully Directv is just keeping their contact if any with Comcast close to the vest not to tip their hand.We could only hope.
I don't think it matters if the games are on YES, if they are also being broadcast on any of Comcast's channels, they will be blacked out in the Philly market. The only games that aren't blacked out are the ones on PHL 17 (because those aren't carried by CSN/TCN). Also, you can see the blacked out games on the MLB Mix channel if there is a broadcast from the opposing team (like YES). I have actually watched Phillies games on the mix channel before. Ridiculous to have to watch on that little thumbnail screen. I feel sorry for ppl in Philly market who are NFL ST fans (or fans of an NFL team other than Eagles) but are also Phillies fans. If D* ever loses their exclusive rights to ST and doesn't resolve this Comcast issue, there will be a mass exodus of customers in the Philly market, this house included. I'm sure the Red Zone channel has already eroded their Philly subscribers because of this.
For those of you who remember my initial complaint into FCC and Comcast, I received a new letter today from their legal counsel from my re-filing with the FCC. Previously they stated that they didnt offer then channel to anyone. After proving them wrong on their very own website, they then stated that everyone did have the channel. I then once again called BS on this claim, and I was sent to their legal team (instead of complaints). I received the letter below today from their legal department:
It appears that Comcast has infact changed their tune based by this letter from their legal department. It also states that they are in fact in discussions with the Satellite companies...and that they can not comment until an agreement is made. So, with all of that being said, it does appear that the issue is in fact price. Notice how they reference "Reasonal Business Terms" in the letter. My guess is that they are requesting a price per all subscribers, and not just local subs. It is ashame we don't have anyone else on the inside, but i guess it is progress...and confirms that there isnt just a "No you cant have it" attitude.
I also didnt know that SNY was owned by Comcast Sports Group. Learn something new every day.
Given that it starts with Dear sir/madam, I'm going to guess it's been sent to a whole lot of other people, too.
SNY is owned by a combination of the New York Mets, Comcast and Time Warner
Dear sir/madem was to the FCC. The letter was copied to me since the complaint is with the FCC. Based by phone calls, I don't expect that this was a form letter.
Good stuff Joe. I'd love to see a DTV reach out to us "consumers" and ask what we'd be willing to shell out. At this point i'd have no problem paying 10 bucks a month. I'm also curious what the home DMA would be for Comcast as I reside in an area that gets blacked out only for Flyers games with Center Ice.
I agree with you Jeep, but I would think they would never provide one channel like that a la carte. Directv and most providers are all about bundling packages. The more likely scenario would be that you would get it as part of the sports package. This then would result in paying a little more to get the package I would think. How much more is no big deal to me if I get CSN Philly. Adding $5 or $10 more to the package would be huge deal though. Not everybody cares about getting as much as we do when you go nationwide.
That is just my humble opinion of course.
Anything that starts with Dear sir/madam is, IMO, a form letter. That said, I'd be happy to be proven wrong so I could see the CSN Philly broadcasts on Center Ice.
The letter is not in my eyes a form letter. It was written directly to the FCC by the SVP and General Counsel of Comcast as a reply to a complaint. Since there was no name in the address, it would be expected that the letter start as Dear/Sir or Madam.