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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by TravelFan1, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. sigma1914

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    If the Astros were competitive, then I could agree with Crane. They're horrible, though. The Rockets are at least decent.
     
  2. jagrim

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    Astros will probably not be competitive for several years. Rockets are improving but too late for regional broadcast this year. They want to throw in the Dynamo but I'm not sure the value they bring to the local TV market.

    Crane needs to take his attitude about "his team" down a few notches. We're planning on watching and pulling for the Rangers this year.
     
  3. tonyd79

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    And there is another problem. He is so busy trying to get paid that he forgot that there is another team in state. One that everyone will be able to watch.
     
  4. TXD16

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    Crane's problem really appears to be that he believed that once he simply purchased a pro sports team (and in the Astro's case I use the term "pro" quite loosely), he thought he would be as universally admired and adored as he is when he looks in the mirror.

    I really don't think he's stupid, so I'm hoping that at some point, he gets the message that he's really not making any friends in Houston.
     
  5. tonyd79

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    I don't thnk Peter Angelos is stupid either but it took him almost two decades to become a mediocre owner.
     
  6. SamC

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    For historic reasons (11 year head start, Rangers playing a lot more west coast away games with after bed time starts, Rangers being historicly crappy, etc) the Astros have been the #1 team in the shared all of Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana market.

    Now? Well the Astros are crappy and going to be for a long time. The Rangers are good. The teams are now in the same division, so the "well I follow both" cannot continue. And the Astros are NOT available on TV to most people in the market, but the (named for the entire state) Rangers are.

    Continue this down the road a few years and the Astros will have done historic and unrepairable damage to their franchise value. They will be, as the Texans are, "Houston's team" and the Rangers will be "everybody except Houston's team" in the entire state.

    Mistake.
     
  7. wilbur_the_goose

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    Don't count on it. All feeds, other than your local RSN are usually blacked out due to CSN's rules.

    I haven't seen a Phillie's game here in Philly for over 10 years unless they're on FOX or a Sunday "over the air" game on channel 17.
     
  8. tonyd79

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    Fox Sports Southwest is a local rsn for all of Texas. It is a dual area like I have with Nats and O's.
     
  9. dwilliam_houston

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    Copy of what I posted on another site:

    I dont think anyone is going to blink missing the Astros on tv. Its a really sad day when these sports teams hold cities hostage for new stadiums which everyone in a city has to pay for through taxes and then the team tries to get even more money out of the people of the city by forcing more charges on them via television.

    Houston has been forced to pay for 4 new stadiums (Toyota Center, Minute Maid Park, Reliant Stadium, BBVA Compass Stadium) over the last 10-15 years and we have 1 stadium (Astrodome) that sits empty that the city is still paying for.

    If someone wants to watch these teams then move to Comcast but dont force everyone to pay for garbage that we are already forced to pay for via our taxes.

    BTW, I am a season ticket holder for Dynamo and more sports fans should take a look at the product they put on for their fans. They have been competing year in and year out since moving to Houston and have invested in their team and their fans.
     
  10. Apr 1, 2013 #170 of 471
    Snickering Hound

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    Astros’ Crane says talks ongoing as deadline nears for CSN Houston resolution

    Astros owner Jim Crane said Monday there were a “couple conference calls” in an attempt to resolve long-stalled CSN Houston carrier negotiations and avoid a three-team blackout in 60 percent of the Houston-area TV market.

    The Astros play the Rangers at 7:10 p.m. Tuesday. If a deal isn’t reached by then, the Astros, Rockets and Dynamo will remain unavailable on major carriers such as AT&T Uverse, DirecTV and Dish Network.

    “Maybe something will work out by (Tuesday),” said Crane, following a charity softball game between Rangers and Astros ownership groups at Minute Maid Park.

    Astros president George Postolos and Crane have said in the past they believed a deal would be reached in time for the start of local Astros broadcasts. But the Rockets have unavailable in the majority of the Houston TV market since the 2012-13 season began and, as of Sunday, there was little momentum heading into the final 48-hour window.

    “I know they can switch (the station) on fast, so we’ve got to get them to cut a deal that will work for us,” Crane said.

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastro...as-deadline-nears-for-csn-houston-resolution/
     
  11. Apr 2, 2013 #171 of 471
    jagrim

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    More comments from Crane. Still looks about how much money can Crane make.


    Awaiting domino effect

    Crane speculated that viewer pressure could bring a quick end to the impasse that has existed since the network signed on last fall.

    "One of these big carriers - Direc(TV), Time Warner, AT&T - one of them will fall into place very quickly, and the thing should move forward very fast," he said. "We're willing to make some concessions here. We're not silly. We want fans to see the games."

    He said "everybody's aggravated, we're aggravated, the Rockets are aggravated" about the inability to sign deals and that protests by fans to their TV providers is "where the rubber meets the road."

    "When we saw DirecTV, they said they had only lost a few customers," Crane said. "Well, when they lose a few thousand customers, guess what: They're going to pay that rate pretty quick, and everything is going to start running pretty smooth.

    "Everybody is waiting until the last minute to see who is going to blink. I can guarantee you we will not blink. We're in it for the long run. We're in it to fix the team. We're in it to build a winner, and this is a big part of building a winner."

    The comments by Crane and Hutchings came a day after Mayor Annise Parker said the impasse was "intolerable" for fans.
     
  12. Apr 2, 2013 #172 of 471
    mnassour

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    DirecTV really needs to hold fast on this one. The on-field product is poor and there is no hope for improvement. What the Astros are selling is simply not worth what is being demanded for the rights.

    We whine and complain each and every time DirecTV has a price hike. Well, here's a chance to save some bucks. This is one instance where a channel is being turned down because it truly DOES have a very small following....baseball fans who like to see their team lose.
     
  13. Apr 3, 2013 #173 of 471
    Eksynyt

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    Same situation as the Blazers in Portland, Oregon. Coincast bought up the channel and jacked up the price so they would basically force everyone to switch. Problem is, people like me who live in areas where Coincast isn't even an option so I'm just SOL.

    I don't even know who is on the Blazers team anymore. I follow all other 29 teams, but the Blazers are like a strange team of aliens that I am completely unfamiliar with.

    Does anybody know if they will put these games on Extra Innings? They have the Blue Jays and Phillies feeds, so in theory we should see the Astros feeds on EI, right?
     
  14. Apr 3, 2013 #174 of 471
    Mariah2014

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    I believe the Phillies and Blue jays feeds have been a no show so far this season too.
     
  15. Apr 3, 2013 #175 of 471
    jagrim

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    The Rangers may now become the "local" team to watch in Houston.
     
  16. Apr 4, 2013 #176 of 471
    Eksynyt

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    Yeah, I noticed that. We should be getting every feed of every game. I don't care if the wording of the package doesn't say that...it should still happen. It's 2013.
     
  17. Apr 4, 2013 #177 of 471
    dxtrfn80

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    The way the Astros have been playing the last 2 games and the last 2 years it may be a good thing that CSN Houston is not on DTV.
     
  18. Apr 4, 2013 #178 of 471
    tonyd79

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    Seems the Astros ownership needs a lesson in math. It will take a lot more than thousands of subs leaving directv (for where? Only Comcast has the channel) to make an impact. Astros games must be on all of Texas. That is a lot of subs to pay for. Say they want $5. Say it is half a million subs. That is 2.5 million per month. At gross revenue, we are talking 25,000 subs at $100 a month to make a dent. But gross revenue is not the number that matters. It is profit. Even if directv made $20 a month on each sub, that would mean it would take 125,000 subs to make a difference.

    Good luck with that.
     
  19. Apr 4, 2013 #179 of 471
    JoeTheDragon

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    Or may they should try makeing the games ppv
     
  20. Apr 4, 2013 #180 of 471
    Snickering Hound

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    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9051946

    Hardball off the field: Astros, Rockets, Dynamo still not available for all viewers

    HOUSTON (KTRK) -- There is no shortage of tickets to watch the Astros play in person, but if want to kick back and catch the game in your favorite recliner, you could be out of luck.

    This is the time of year you expect to see hardball on the field; not necessarily behind the scenes as it relates to negotiations over a cable sports network. Those negotiations so far have kept the Dynamo, the Rockets, and the Astros off 58 percent of television sets in the Houston region.

    David Rodriguez and his son, David Jr., love the Astros, but like ten of thousands of other fans, in person will be the only way to see them if Comcast SportsNet Houston, the Astros, and the Rockets don't reach a deal with several other big cable carriers soon.

    "Sports is a big part of Houston and I believe it is important that everybody get a chance to see the Astros on TV," said Rodriguez.

    The lack of a deal is about money and availability -- both sides want more of both.

    "I do know that it's a top priority for the Astros," said Jeff Luhnow, Astros General Manager.

    Luhnow says with a young, unfamiliar team, being on TV is all the more important.

    "We want the fans to get to know our players. We have a lot of young players. They're not household names. We're hoping they're going to become household names," he said.

    CSN is a joint venture between Comcast, the Rockets, and the Astros. The baseball team, owned by Jim Crane, is the largest stakeholder.

    "It's terrible for the fans. We really want to get these games on TV and we're very concerned about. We work on it every day. It's not good. And we feel it'll get worked out relatively soon," Crane said.

    Those fans aren't thrilled. With many of them making other arrangements for viewing or getting Comcast, the only major carrier to list CSN.

    "It's huge, man. That's our home teams here so we gotta have them on TV," said Eric Hopson.

    Another fan, Darryl Reed, told us, "Everybody wants to watch the games, but if you can't watch them at home it gets people to go out, watch it somewhere out with friends and family."

    Crane says he switched to Comcast, too, even though he's optimistic about a deal.

    "There's been communication today, there was last night. We're still trying to cut a deal that works for the Astros, the Rockets, and Comcast long-term," said Crane.

    In a statement Wednesday afternoon, Comcast SportsNet Houston told us, "We continue to work day and night until this is resolved, but fans should recognize that they hold more power than they realize. We urge all fans to call their television providers and demand the network. At the least, fans should demand a reduction in their monthly bills as many are paying the same amount as last year, except now they are not getting to watch the Astros, Rockets and Dynamo."

    We did reach out to representatives from DirecTV, Dish Network, and AT&T for their comments on the negotiations, but only DirecTV responded, saying in part, "We too want to enable any Astros fans to have CSN Houston. If the Astros and Comcast will agree to make the channel available only to those customers who want to pay for it or make it more reasonable for all of our customers, we can have an agreement completed very soon."
     

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