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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by phrelin, Jul 14, 2012.
Sure winner? It was a failed TV show.
It's no more of a sure winner than Alcatraz or Pan Am
The main reason Firefly failed though is because FOX showed the episodes out of order. That made it hard/confusing to follow the story line and many people just gave up trying.
I agree though, I wouldn't call it a sure thing either.
It had a great chance for success if Fox had treated it right. Fox showed episodes out of order and skipped episodes, they changed the time slot, and didn't air episodes on consecutive weeks and of course pulled the plug when there were still episodes left to air. Pretty much any show will fail given those circumstances.
We'll never know if that's correct or not.
Considering the following it has, the amount of Blu Ray and DVD sets sold and the demand for the movie I'd say it's correct.
Perhaps, but many of those people (that bought those) might have been on board from the beginning (despite what Fox might have done) or merely heard the hype from those that didn't like the cancellation. There's no way to know if the show would have succeeded no matter what Fox did.
The problem is, Fox gives scifi shows a try. But there is no broadcast TV market for primetime typical scifi. As an economic model, that market includes folks who watch TV live. It's a dwindling market.
Most importantly people who are into technology have all but disappeared, using DVR's and all. And they are the folks likely to be the core audience for any scifi. Occasionally you'll get a show like "Lost" that will push through to the "American Idol" core audience, also dwindling.
But it mostly just doesn't work using the broadcast TV economic model. And what has happened to Syfy seems to indicate the financial limits.
If I have a criticism of Fox it is they should understand this and quit encouraging larger budget efforts.
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Unlike you, I don't consider Firefly "a failed TV show". As a fan, I'd rather put it in the same category as Star Trek, because that too was considered a failure.
If you care to compare Alcatraz and Pan Am as being equal to Firefly, I suppose you'd be right.
[Edited to clarify my final statement: I should have ended the sentence with ", I suppose you'd be within your rights.]
Well regardless of what you consider it the show was cancelled because it was a ratings failure, for whatever reason.
And yes, Star Trek was a ratings failure too. It didn't pick up a fanbase until years later, much like Firefly.
The differences being that Star Trek had high ratings initially, lasted 3 full seasons, and wont the Hugo award twice.
Doesn't really matter, does it? Without Whedon, Fillion wouldn't know what to say or how to act. Joss was to Firefly what Gene was to Star Trek. One was essentially the other. Without Joss, why bother?
Thanks for the info, Runner.
The Science Channel (284 on DIRECTV) aired the Comic-Con Firefly reunion yesterday, 11/11/12, but you can still catch it several times through 11/20.
Look in your guide for "Firefly 10th Anniversary: Browncoats Unite".
I saw it. While there was an amount of self-congratulatory back-slapping and the typical "we were a family on the set" lines that you hear in so many of these (and they even made mention of "I know you hear this all the time but...") - there was still plenty to enjoy in this special.
My DVR caught the 3AM airing. I'll be watching it tonight. :hurah:
Just watched it last night. Quite enjoyable. I thought it was funny when "Wash" threw his hands up in the air when Joss Whedon made mention that no one would have died if he had been able to do a season 2.
I just finished re-watching SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND. Great show.
As others have stated, Fox airing the episodes out of order certainly didn't help. I'll never understand why Fox chose to air THE TRAIN JOB (the weakest episode IMHO) first instead of the excellent pilot episode, SERENITY...
IMO, the best place for genre shows is the CW; for them it's much more about demographics than it is about overall ratings.
Unfortunately only vampires and would-be supermen watch CW ... oh, and the occassional model too.
I watch shows, not channels. Supernatural's a good show, and it's on the CW.