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Comparing VZ FiOS to D*

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by wilbur_the_goose, Nov 3, 2013.

  1. Steve

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    The Roamio stuff looks awesome. Haven't personally kicked the tires on it yet, but based on observations from someone whose opinions I trust, it sounds like it's arguably the best DVR out there. That said, I discussed it with my daughter and son-in-law last night, and the value proposition isn't there, especially since they're very happy with their Verizon DVRs.

    They've got 3 locations right now, with 2 HD DVRs, 4 recording tuners and about 120 hours total of HD storage total. They pay ~$42/month for both DVRs and one HD STB and multi-room service. No upfront dollars required.

    If they go Roamio, for the cheapest model with built-in MoCA and streaming and two mini clients, they're looking at about $600 hardware costs, with monthly charges of ~$27 to TiVo + $5 to Verizon for the cable card. So they save $10/month over FiOS equipment, but their payback for up-front costs is 5 years, likely longer than the life of the equipment.

    If they go with "lifetime service", they're looking at $600 in hardware and $800 in "lifetime" for the 3 TiVO boxes, but they'll save $37/month over FiOS. That's a payback of 38 months. Much better, but more cash than able to lay out up front, ATM.
     
  2. bobcamp1

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    1. Yep.
    2. I find the FIOS DVR is better overall. It's response is instantaneous, and there is no unexpected lag when using the remote. The FIOS DVR has a few more quirks and doesn't do as much. It's a basic DVR. But what it does it does well. I agree with the FIOS remote issue, you have to point the remote towards the DVR though not directly at it.
    3. I like the FIOS channel placement. All similar channels are grouped together, making it easier to find them. For example, the sports channels are between 570-599.
    4. I miss that the most about D*, though a single push of the 'C' button switches you to the HD version of the channel. You could also go online and make a favorites list that removes the SD duplicates, but I haven't found the need to do that.

    I also find myself using on-demand a lot more often with FIOS.
     
  3. dpeters11

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    If they go with "lifetime service", they're looking at $600 in hardware and $800 in "lifetime" for the 3 TiVO boxes, but they'll save $37/month over FiOS. That's a payback of 38 months. Much better, but more cash than they have to lay out up front, ATM.


    I'd be careful with lifetime service, if a box goes bad, it can only be transferred to a new one if the old one was still under warranty.

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  4. Sixto

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    When you activate the lifetime service there's a $39 extended warranty, which can be used once. Any replacement can also get an extended warranty. They also honor other warranties, Best Buy offers a 4 year. Usually the only thing that fails is the hard drive which can easily be replaced. The Roamio self formats easily for replacement or upgrade up to 3TB.
     
  5. slice1900

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    My two cents as a long time Tivo owner...

    I bought a Tivo Premiere when they first came out. Cost me $199 for the box, $39.99 for extended warranty, $299 for lifetime (back then it was $399, and I got a $100 discount for previously owning a Tivo) so $540 total. They were selling for $350-$400 on Ebay this summer before Roamio came out, now they're around $300. They hold resale value really well.

    Basically in the 3 1/2 years I've owned it, it cost me $240, plus $1.99/month for a cable card. That's only $7/month. True, my warranty ran out six months ago, so if it died the following day I'd have paid $440 for three years (it would still allow a $100 savings on a replacement) or a couple dollars a month more than the less functional cable DVR. I'd pay a couple bucks a month more to rent a Tivo over a cable company DVR so worst case its a wash, and when it lasts longer I come out ahead. Way ahead if it lasts so long I end up selling it while it still works instead of waiting for it to die.

    You'd have to plug in the numbers for renting a cable company DVR and renting a cable card to see how it works for you. Some companies screw you badly on the cable card to make Tivos a less attractive choice.

    My one major gripe with Tivo (aside from adding useless features instead of fixing bugs in the main functionality, which is a complaint valid for all DVRs and many product categories for that matter) is that there is no way to transfer all your settings from an old Tivo to a new one. Until they rectify that, I'm never upgrading this one, especially since I see little value in a Roamio over a Premiere.
     
  6. tonyd79

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    I disagree on #1. If anything, I'd give the 5% to directv. I see small breakdowns on fios I don't see on directv. However, Epix on fios is outstanding. Don't know how it would be on directv, obviously, but it is stunning. Espn actually looks better on directv.

    The SD difference goes to fios but nowhere near 100x. Especially when I have direct on original format. Maybe 25-50% better overall though I've seen some channels (Boomerang) which is better on directv but really, really close.

    Fios has been playing with their PQ lately. They are transcoding most mpeg4 channels to mpeg2 as they are even more stubborn with legacy than directv and there are reports that they are squeezing some mpeg2 qams.

    BTW, my thoughts are with 2 different tvs now as I just got a new one. And most of the time I cannot tell what system I am looking at but when I do comparisons, I see what I see.


    Edit to add: PQ for fios is either regional or highly dependent on the box. My sister lives in another county and has on older box. Whichever reason, her PQ is noticeably worse than mine on shared locals and cable channels.
     
  7. wilbur_the_goose

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    Tony - thanks for adding your input. I mostly watch sports, and I'm convinced that FiOS is has better picture quality than DirecTV.

    I only wish D* would bump their PQ back to what it used to be, but I think we "PQ Snobs" lost out to the people that wanted quantity over quality.
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    BTW - I've also been playing with FiOS's VOD. It's a full technological generation better than D*. For example, CBS is all HD, and shows start playing in 1080i about 2 seconds after an episode is selected.
     
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  8. tonyd79

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    I haven't seen a drop. And there is zero evidence that there is one.

    I will say that for HD, they are extremely close and other factors such as hardware, switches, TV's, etc. probably plays a bigger part than if you have fios or directv.
     
  9. compnurd

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    The Roamio is arguably NOT the best DVR out there. May want to head over to tivocommunity website. Many.. Many people with problems with those DVR's and the tuners.... and quite frankly after the Premiere was so slow.. anything faster would be better
     
  10. Sixto

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    Maybe with some with tuning adapters, but just about every review I've seen has been positive. Been A+ for me.
     
  11. Steve

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    Review maybe.... but not from actual users over there
     
  13. compnurd

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    True but my HR44 makes my old Premiere seem like it was an old SA8300 box... while the roamio may be faster.. it still has tuner issues the only thing i miss from the Tivo side is Season Pass and To do list modifications from the app and the website... and the streaming in the app and not 2 seperate apps
     
  14. damondlt

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    Tony - thanks for adding your input. I mostly watch sports, and I'm convinced that FiOS is has better picture quality than DirecTV.

    I only wish D* would bump their PQ back to what it used to be, but I think we "PQ Snobs" lost out to the people that wanted quantity over quality..
    I agree, even with the 2 short weeks I spent with fios the pq was better then directv, and despite tonys claim I do feel as well directvs HD is not what it was.

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  15. Steve

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    Agree. Remote management of season passes and the TDL from the web or a mobile device is now a required "DVR 101" feature, IMHO. What I also miss from the HR10 is the ability to edit the CIG list myself. I also liked the ability to immediately see the results of recording changes I made in the To Do List. And from what I understand, the Roamio has 6 concurrent live buffers of 30 minutes each.
     
  16. compnurd

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    I dont think they are concurrent live... I remember with my old Premiere 4, only the foreground tuner buffered.. all others had to be recording
     
  17. Steve

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    Could be, but according to this review:

     
  18. Sixto

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    All 6 tuners are buffered 24x7, and each can be individually selected from the Info menu. Also if you select a channel that happens to be in one of the 6 buffers then it automatically switches to that buffer. I've read almost every Roamio and Mini thread at TCF, certainly no major issues from FiOS users. I have the HR44 and Roamio Pro side-by-side. Both are excellent. My thoughts will be online some day.
     
  19. Phil17108

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    I have been a DirecTV customer form 1998 on after switcing to Dish for one year in 97. I had Verizon for every thing ells, land lines, internet and cell service.
    I dumped them last year over there pricing. There cell phone service was just to high and they only gave my wife and I 500 minutes between us with no text or internet. Verizon was all the time sending flyers and phone calls trying to get me on Fios with real cheep pricing, but that was for not much and by the time i had what DirecTV gave me I bet the price would just skyrocket after the first year. When I read cut the cable the one I think of is phone.
     
  20. peds48

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    well, that is to be expected, as they provide the internet as well
     

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