connect two eastern arc lnb's

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  1. xman43

    xman43 New Member

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    Have a tree problem. Using 1000.4 dish with eastern arc lnb and vip 722k receiver. Can only receive 61.5 due to trees. Put in a second dish and can receive 72.7, but no 61.5. Would like to combine both dishes so receiver will receive 72.7 and 61.5. Cutting trees VERY expensive.
     
  2. crodrules

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    The 1000.4 dish actually has three LNB's, for 61.5, 72.7, and 77. The 72.7 and 77 LNB's are very close together. This LNB also has an input port for adding an additional dish. So, you would need to run a cable from the 72.7 output of your second dish to the input port on the first dish. Since your additional dish is aimed at one of the orbital slots that the built-in LNB is already designed to receive, it may be necessary to cover that satellite's LNB on your 1000.4 dish, in order to prevent the dish from defaulting to that LNB (with weak or no signal) instead of the one connected to the input port. If you do not care about receiving the 77 satellite, this is relatively easy to do, since you can just wrap something around both of those LNB's to make sure the signal is completely blocked. Then, just run a Check Switch on your receiver, and you are all set. :)
     
  3. xman43

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    Thanks so much for your answer. I will give it a try.
     
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  4. scooper

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    Actually If you're having that kind of trouble - it's best to get dishes for each slot you want to receive (in your case, 61.5, 72.7 and 77) and use a switch to combine them. At best, a single dish for 61.5, plugged into the dish input of the 1000.4 (for 72.7 and 77) would be the way to go. Block off 61.5 on the 1000.4 . The software for the receivers is not designed for cascading switches in LNBs like that.

    All you really need for HD Eastern arc is 61.5 and 72.7 - 77 mostly has the SD versions.
     
  5. crodrules

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    I thought of that. However, my suggestion was something that xman43 can try with the equipment that is already installed, to see if it will work. Also, the first post did not say what type of dish is being used for the 72.7 satellite. It only specified that the 1000.4 was being used for the 61.5 satellite. So, I was trying to keep my answer as generic as possible, to account for any other type of dish that may be installed for the 72.7 satellite. Since xman43 did not mention wanting the 77 satellite, I recommended an option that would remove it also.
     
  6. harsh

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    I'm pretty sure the switch in the primary LNB assembly will force the secondary LNB to shift to DP mode. It would be better to use a wing dish with single LNB as you suggest as they're typically much cheaper, smaller and easier to set up.

    Of course any dish that only has a single slot to shoot through is fairly likely to be obscured by tree growth in the not too distant future anyway.
     
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  7. scooper

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    I've tried this - trust me - it doesn't work.
     
  8. xman43

    xman43 New Member

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    xman43 is new to your forum- not sure proper way to reply. I am using 1000.4 with eastern lnb now as primary receiving 61.5 only. second dish is 1000.2 with eastern lnb that is picking up signal for 72.7(77 not used). Have older dish 500 with both single and dual lnb. not sure what dp mode is. any suggestion to dish and switch would be appreciated.
     
  9. scooper

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    Get rid of either one (but not both). Let's say you're keeping the 1000.4 with 61.5. Cover the other 2 LNBs with aluminum foil. Find an 18 - 20 inch dish (a Dish 500 is perfect) and a DishPro single or dual (NOT a TWIN !!!). Aim the DIshpro LNB at 72.7. Connect the output of the DishPro LNB to the INPUT of the 1000.4. Do a Check switch and you should be golden.

    Or, equally valid - keep the 1000.2 dish and aim the 72.7 LNB. Put the Dishpro Dual or single on the 18-20 inch dish, connect that output to the input on the 1000.2 LNB/switch. DO a Check Switch and again, you're golden.

    IF you can find a DPP33 or a DPP44 switch, you could use a DIshPro LNB on an 18-20 inch dish, one aimed at 61.5 and one aimed at 72.7. Run their outputs to the DPP33 / DPP44 inputs, and run the outputs to your receiver. DO a Check Switch and you're golden. DPP33 is better because it doesn't need external power except from the receivers. The DPP44 will require a power coming into port 1 of the outputs going to the receivers.

    Any of these should get your Eastern arc working.
     
  10. crodrules

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    As far as that 1000.2 Eastern Arc LNB, it may not have an input port. If I am remembering correctly, the newer Hybrid version does have an input port, but the original DPP EA 1000.2 LNB does not have an input. That was one reason for using the 1000.4 EA LNB, even in installations that did not require the 77 satellite, due to the fact that it has an input port. This is how I got my EA 1000.4 dish, in a market that does not have locals on the 77 satellite, since I still needed signal from the 119 satellite at that time for the All American Direct distant networks.

    All Western Arc LNB's (DPP or Hybrid, 1000.4 or 1000.2) have an input port. I am not sure why the DPP EA 1000.2 LNB does not have one.
     
  11. peano

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    Will a Dish 500 with a DP Plus twin work for 61.5 and 72.7? What is on 77 anyway? Locals? Sorry for the hijack. Trying to get familiar with Dish again.
     
  12. scooper

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    Using a DIsh500 on 61.5 and 72.7 - Yes, it will work even though the Dish500 was really designed for 110 / 119. With the slop allowed You can get them both, and if your LNB is the DishProPlus you also have an input port. You may not get the same signal strength as the EA 1000.2 .

    77 mostly has the SD versions of the CONUS HD channels on 61.5 / 72.7 (not SD versions of local channels though). There had been a time when some markets HD locals were there, but I think all those have been moved to spotbeams on 61.5. www.jameslong.name has listings for all satellites / transponders / spotbeams.
     
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  13. xman43

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    from xman43. Thanks. I have a dish 500 with plastic adapter stamped with 110 and 119. All single lnb's only say dish digital lnbf, so guess I need one with dpplus. I also do have a twin dpplus lnb with 2 ports labeled 1 and 2 and a port says lnb in. So (understand what you said about twin) any chance of using since already have? If not will purchase single dpplus lnb--ebay listed these with single and dual outputs. How about plastic adapter on arm?
     
  14. scooper

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    DPPlus is for a multislot LNB with a builtin switch - so there should not be any DPPLus Single or Duals (unless the seller doesn't know Dish equipment like I do). There SHOULD be DishPro (DP) singles and Duals. Difference between Single and Dual is the number of outputs - 1 vs 2. The DishProPlus TWIN covers 2 slots (designed for 110 / 119, but could be aimed for 61.5 and 72.7)

    SO with what you're saying about your tree problem, Use the existing Dish500 with the DPP TWIN, cover one side with aluminum foil then aim it at either 61.5 OR 72.7. Get another dish (either 18 inch or larger single LNB dish that can accomodate the D-shaped DIshPro Single or Dual, or get another Dish500, again use either a DishPro Single or Dual LNB) and aim this at the other of 61.5 / 72.7. The output of the DishPro Single / Dual would go to the LNB IN port on the DPP TWIN. Check switch and it should work.
     
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    Specifically, the listing for the 77 satellite is here: DISH Network Channels by Transponder (Unofficial Listing)
    As you can see, there are still HD locals there for several markets, and even some SD feeds for Casper, WY.
     
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    Is there any reason why this would work with the LNB IN port on the DPP TWIN, but not with the LNB IN port on the existing 1000.4? :confused:
     
  17. scooper

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    Not that I can think of. Cover the blocked LNBs on the 1000.4 and have your side dish on the input. If it doesn't work it's because of the way Dish / Echostar designed the receiver firmware.
     
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  18. xman43

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    scooper, are all dish network single lnb's same? Mine has only dish logo and marked "Digital LNBF" Ebay advertises dish network DP single outlet 36hz. Sorry for confusion.
     
  19. scooper

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    No - there was an earlier generation that were not DishPro - these are going to be at least 10 - 15 years old. If you can see a picture of what you have elsewhere, you should be able to verify what you have.
     
  20. xman43

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    What is maximum length to install a 1000.4 dish with eastern arc lnb from receiver with rg6 cable with copper core. If answer is over 200 feet, how to boost/amplifier for a run of 300 feet?
     

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