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Continue with Viiv or move to DLNA?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by smiddy, Jul 11, 2009.

Keep Viiv or move to DLNA?

  1. Keep Viiv Alive!

    0 vote(s)
  2. Move on over the DLNA!

  1. davel

    davel Godfather

    May 1, 2007
    Search for my user id and you will find what I think of Viiv!! POS, get rid of it.
  2. Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    They announced some sort of new UI in 2010. The new DirecTivo may be out by then as well.
  3. bhelton71

    bhelton71 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '09

    Mar 7, 2007
    I certainly don't want to be the party crasher, but the HR2x's media renderer is actually very close to being DLNA DMP v1.0 compliant. The most basic thing I can see missing is required support of the MPEG_PS_NTSC profile

    And what is that you may ask ?

    Video: MPEG-2 (NTSC constraints)
    Audio: Encoded using either AC-3, LPCM, or MPEG 1/2 L2
    System: Program Streams

    TS support is optional

    But unfortunately more to the point of this thread:
    MT HTTP Trick Mode Operations

    Trick Mode support is marked as a SHOULD not a MANDATORY

    So there actually isn't much stopping the HR's from being DLNA compliant as is, so I don't think that's the entire request.

    Also one other small thing to consider: the VIIV platform was built on top of DLNA - it is simply a DLNA DMS with DTCP-IP and vendor-specific code. Intel had a huge part of creating both the UPNP specifications and the DLNA recommendations. Microsoft used the same approach with their Windows Media Connect by adding another service for their extenders that consumes their proprietary DRM.
  4. dodge boy

    dodge boy R.I.P. Chris Henry

    Mar 31, 2006
    No trick play is the only downfall I've noticed....
  5. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

    Apr 5, 2006
    What are the requirements to use the DNLA logo? The current logo on th ebeta is Viiv, this implies Viiv certification (which may have never been done). Is there a DNLA certification? i'd truly like DirecTV to move on and finish this beta with a set of requirements that is finishable, if that makes sense.
  6. Rob-NovA

    Rob-NovA Icon

    Jan 10, 2008
    C'mon now Smiddy, Google has shown you can have the beta moniker up for years and people won't really care. GMail just came out of "beta" last week! :lol:
  7. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

    Apr 5, 2006
    It's like not making a commitment...to keep them out of liabilities, I suspect.
  8. bhelton71

    bhelton71 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '09

    Mar 7, 2007
    I don't believe there was a VIIV certification (outside of the UPnP Implementers Corporation certification) available - but yes there is a DLNA certification and I have no idea what it entails exactly. I imagine it is much like the CableLabs or WHQL testing I have done in the past. There is usually a published battery of tests that you complete in house, then some sample devices are shipped to the certifying body (possibly a third party ?) for some form of interoperability testing for the device class and in a mixed environment. Upon passing the testing they would have to pay for the licensing and slap it on.

    My point earlier though was even if they went ahead on the certification there is nothing to say they MUST implement trickplay for a valid certification. So the net would be a new logo and still not able to ffwd,rwd. While there are a couple of ways to implement trick plays, most of the mediaservers out there use HTTP range request headers which is a suggested method of DLNA. And I think that is what you really are interested in - versus simply being DLNA certified.
  9. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

    Apr 5, 2006
    Yep, point taken. Not that I will never use it for video, but I generally do not. I don't have my library on a networked device, they're all on DVD or Blu-Ray. Since it is merely a DLNA option and not a hard requirement, then it would be a shame to not implement it, at least at some point. Perhaps I can place my library on a networked server and get what I want then. Maybe that is what is stopping me.

    I simply would love a little closure here, it seems to have been going on forever now without any indication of what to expect in the future and if the track records is my only recourse, then it doesn't look very soon, rather anothe rfew years. :(
  10. jes

    jes Icon

    Apr 20, 2007
    dump it or DLNA...
  11. morpheus305

    morpheus305 Cool Member

    Nov 10, 2007
    Can someone from this forum show the directv people the results from this poll. I barely ever see a internet poll so lop sided as this. DLNA is the way to go. PS3 media center is one of the best if not the best media server applications ive ever used. I almost never have a problem watching any kind of video with it. Vivi is dead, time to move onto DLNA plz!! :)
  12. islesfan

    islesfan Hall Of Fame

    Oct 18, 2006
    I have one ViiV PC (HP Pavillion) which I bought shortly after Media Share was introduced. I needed a new PC anyway, so I went with the ViiV one for this reason. With that said, media share with that PC was so flaky as to be unusable. I have recently replaced that PC with a HP Touchsmart IQ846 (not ViiV, obviously) and the media share functions are flawless (as well as perfect DirecTV2PC). I still have the Pavillion on the network as a game PC for the kids, but I don't use it as a music server anymore. In fact, I wish I could get it to stop serving music, but the ViiV server won't stay off. It is only a problem because the ViiV PC shows up in the Media Share menu first. I then have to go to My Computers to find the other one. I would rather have that ViiV one stop serving media, but it refuses.
  13. tas3986

    tas3986 AllStar

    Feb 6, 2008
    I got fed up with both Directv options. Both options suffer from the same slow remote control processing, and cumbersome interfaces with pc's. I went out and bought a Asus o'Play. Works fast. Works great. It is really plug and play, and not complicated at all. Doesn't have internet access, but many other vendors do.

    Directv should concentrate on delivering the best, most friendly and responsive Satellite TV interface, multi-room viewing, etc.. Concentrate on what you do best. Perfect and protect your cash cow. Leave the Home Media to the others vendors.
  14. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    I believe this does not have to be a mutually exclusive decision. ViiV is a subset of DLNA, just using optional DLNA components for trickplay. By supporting all the DLNA trickplay functions as well as the optional ViiV ones, the clients could work well with both.

    As for serving, the HR2x need a bit more work to be DLNA compliant--I think. That said, I'm willing for the serving parts of the HR2x to settle down with MRV first. Once that is released to NR or as it's released to NR, hopefully we'll have true DLNA serving as well.

    As for the PS3, since it now has DTCP-IP, I sure hope it can be a supported client soon. :)

  15. David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    I in no way want to disparage any work being done by developers, but I bought a nas and extender and never looked back.
    I can pause/rew/ff anything I want.
  16. Thaedron

    Thaedron Hall Of Fame

    Jun 29, 2007
    May I ask what you're using for NAS and extender? Just looking for alternatives. My NAS died and I need a new one. I'd LOVE to use the HR2x to view content via MediaShare, but agree with you that they aren't there yet.
  17. David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    I picked up a recerted buffalo linkstation pro 1TB and upped it to 2 TB, I use buffalo linktheater HD90-Lan.
  18. GregLee

    GregLee Hall Of Fame

    Dec 28, 2005
    Thanks for the reference. I don't think it required much BB testing to arrive at the conclusion DLNA does not require a fixed set of codecs.

    I vote for none of the above. As others remark, Viiv is dead. The problem I see with DLNA is that I don't know what this "open" standard actually is, and there is no practical way for me to find out. You can't just go to some web site and read it, or download a document. It's a secret. You have to pay to get access. Well, it doesn't matter about me, but how about someone with programming skills who wants to contribute their time and expertise to crafting, e.g., media servers like the free program MediaTomb?

    I have a better idea. Instead of keeping secret the way the D* media clients work, make functional descriptions of the protocols they use public and freely available. Then, even if we never get to the point where absolutely everything about media players and servers is fixed and standardized, anyone who wants to communicate with the D* devices knows how to do that. Just expose the interfaces to all.
  19. Grentz

    Grentz New Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    I guess I didnt put my word in when this thread was around a few months ago :p

    With those choices, DLNA, but overall...just drop it IMO.

    It never is going to be that great and it is never going to be that widely used. There are so many things that are SOOO much better for media sharing. WDTV Live, ASUS O!Play, Popcorn Hour, etc. are much much better and will always be able to handle much higher end content and more containers.

    It is cool in idea, but with media streamers being put in everything these days (bluray players, TVs, etc.) there just is little need for it and I would rather any little bit of power or code be put into the core functions. I know some use it, but I honestly have to feel bad for you. I have used it many times and the experience is annoying overall compared to alternatives that can cost less than $100 :eek:

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