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Cord Cutters - The Next Generation; "The Copper Droppers"

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by SayWhat?, Mar 3, 2014.

  1. Mar 3, 2014 #1 of 34

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    Several articles out there today about AT&T developing a test plan to eliminate their copper network entirely. I can't tell, but it looks like they want to switch everything over to wireless.

    So far, it seems to be all based on cutting costs of maintaining the wired network, without mention of how or if those cost savings would be passed on to consumers.

    I also can't tell if they are trying to go to fiber or piggyback onto cable TV systems, only that they want to be IP based.

    And so far, no mention of rates or capacity and speed.
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  2. Mar 3, 2014 #2 of 34

    gov Legend

    Jan 11, 2013
    Unintentional humor is the best kind, thanx, you made my day there!

    :righton: :righton:
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  3. Mar 3, 2014 #3 of 34

    jimmie57 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 26, 2010
    Texas City, TX
    They already have wireless home phones and plans. I looked into it but it did not allow me to use all 7 of my handsets since they were 2 different sets.
    If you could plug it into the wired network ( telephone wires ) in the house and all phones use it, it would save me quite a bit of money per month.
  4. Mar 3, 2014 #4 of 34

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2009
    NY Hudson...
    Verizon tried to go wireless in some Sandy damage areas, but their customers fought 'em and won.

    I'm live in Verizon 4LTE area. My chance of getting FiOS now is almost nil.
  5. Mar 3, 2014 #5 of 34

    Cholly Old Guys Rule! DBSTalk Club

    Mar 22, 2004
    My guess is that they want to elimiate copper and go all fiber and wireless. It would be a big boost for ATT Uverse.
  6. Mar 3, 2014 #6 of 34

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    The big boost is they would get rid of the millions of lines of fees they have on bills now and the massive oversight from the puc in California and other states.

    It would truly be the end of the phone service becoming a truly separate business rather than government run like it was many years ago.

    It is so heavily regulated now they just want out if that. This is the path to that.
  7. Mar 3, 2014 #7 of 34

    yosoyellobo Icon

    Nov 1, 2006
    Jacksonville Fl
    Just wondering would these legacy line be worth anything to somebody?
  8. Mar 3, 2014 #8 of 34

    Cholly Old Guys Rule! DBSTalk Club

    Mar 22, 2004
    If they replaced the copper lines with fiber, the copper could be recycled for cash, which would help offset the cost of fiber installation.
  9. Mar 3, 2014 #9 of 34

    dennisj00 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 27, 2007
    Lake Norman, NC
    Unfortunately, the labor to get the copper down or out of the ground is higher than it's salvage value. Only the idiots stealing it to recycle think they make money because they don't include their cost of stealing it.
  10. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    No fios here either, with none in sight, according to Verizon.

    They want to get rid of land lines because of the maintenence. I doubt cost would go down if they got their wish to go wireless, it Never does.

    Umm, is there enough bandwidth if everyone went in this direction? Seems like something would suffer?
  11. kaminar

    kaminar Mentor

    Mar 25, 2012
    ATT bought Alltell and Leap last year..IMHO they want spectrum assets in the US and other assets in Europe..looking for acquisitions and expansion.

  12. TBoneit

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    They are pushing hard where I am. I called in to get the one copper landline repaired. I got lots of pressure to go to a better phone service for free, Fios is in this area. I said no. When Sandy hit and I had no power for over a week. My copper landline worked, The Cellular service was so overloaded You could only get a dial tone after midnight. Her (CSR) response was it has a battery backup. Mine was that will not run for days will it.
  13. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007

    Being a Californian in an ATT copper service area, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that should they succeed in dumping land line service, my phone service will be Verizon which is my cell service.

    I was getting regular phone calls from ATT offering me high speed internet service. I asked how is that going to work? They told me new fiber lines had just been installed in our area. I asked where as I haven't seen any fiber installation going in within 30 miles of my house. So then they backtracked after checking somehow....

    The problem is, of course, that the only remaining universal (meaning to almost every home) access to emergency service and well as to calling family is the land line. Cable does not, by any stretch of the imagination, cover all or nearly all American homes. Cellular service in many, many rural areas is hit and miss. But back when people cared what happened to other people, most of America was wired for phone service.

    Naturally, this discussion is prompted by ATT and Verizon both of which are making huge profits. It's a real case of figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure and this idea regarding no wired service in use is simply untrue. The last data available on total lines was published by the FCC in 2006. When we examined the AT&T and Verizon's companies, as listed by the FCC's Statistics of Common Carriers and compared this to what was listed in the AT&T and Verizon annual reports -- mysteriously, 70 percent of all lines disappeared:


    I recommend that the American people take a look at the correlation between poverty and the plans of ATT and Verizon regarding abandonment of land lines. Check out this web site:

    I have cell service. I have cable high speed internet. But many, many homes in my area have no access to either and many of the people in those homes have very low incomes. How do they make a 911 call without copper? Our community relies on "robocalls" for emergency notifications - do we just let these folks burn in a wildfire? For in return for having access to all the customers in California, ATT is stuck providing a basic land line service to low-income households as follows:
    • Unlimited local calls - The lesser of range $5.47 to $6.84 or 1/2 of the carrier’s residential flat-rate local telephone service.
    • Measured Local Telephone Service (60 calls a month) - The lesser of range $2.91 to $3.66 or 1/2 of carrier’s residential measured rate for local phone service.
    To eliminate this service is to say to some Americans that they simply are not worth worrying about.

    The great cell phone and fiber revolutions in the United States have been implemented in such a way that many Americans were told that the U.S. has become a nation that no longer cares about the least among us.

  14. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    I think that what the trial and pilots programs are trying to find out --- how to address those issues.
  15. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    For many areas, complete coverage by wireless could mean TV, broadband internet, cell and land line substitutes could be possible where only one or two are available now. It'd be a boon for some. Maintenance costs would go down, but rates to the consumer won't.

    I am under the impression that land line service cannot simply be abandoned but don't know the exact regulations (or even the inexact or loose ones!) —so poor people won't get totally hosed.
  16. scooper

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Youngsville NC
    It would not surprise me to see in a decade or 2, any / all "copper landline" POTS service will probably have to be heavily government subsidized if not actually run by them. The "big phone companies" (AT&T / Verizon) very dearly want OUT of the copper landline business in favor of the mostly unregulated / heavily capped wireless business - check the example of what Verizon "stuck" Fairpoint with in New England (and what else has been happening in the telecom sector in the last couple years). As far as home internet - most households will have 3 choices - cable, highly capped wireless, or none (and don't be too surprised that cable isn't capped either unless some serious laws get passed protecting the consumer in favor of the ISP (fat chance)).

    I would also like to foresee a day that internet access starts getting treated as a basic utility (like water and electricity), but you know the ISPs will fight that one tooth and nail...
  17. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    I see that for both ISPs and wireless providers.
  18. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    Since many ISPs are already regulated (Telcos for DSL, cable franchises, etc.), why shouldn't they all be?
  19. billsharpe

    billsharpe Hall Of Fame

    Jan 25, 2007
    Cost to the provider might go down. Price to the consumer probably not.
  20. bobnielsen

    bobnielsen Éminence grise

    Jun 29, 2006
    I have one of the wireless home phones (it is with Consumer Cellular but the device has the ATT logo). I connected it to my home wiring and it works fine, although I only have one connection (to a cordless base station with 3 phones). It costs me $10 per month and the minutes are shared with my cell phone.

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