Cordillera Communications contract expiring with DirecTV on Jan 1

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  1. Michael P

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    Did you try to tune to the OTA channel? Perhaps it's just the guide data that's blocked on the AM21. If D*'s OTA module is anything like E*'s then you still get the channel but the guide shows "unavailable" or other wording to indicate the dispute is on. It's a pain for the DVR programming but at least you can still see the channel manually.
     
  2. KyL416

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    Cable operators have different rules when it comes to locals, although for Time Warner Cable it kind of backfired when the stations they used objected and sued:
    http://deadline.com/2012/07/nexstar-time-warner-cable-hearst-retransmission-consent-suit-302453/

    Satellite is limited to the stations that are in the Nielsen area and neighboring stations on the Significantly Viewed list. In some cases DirecTV has activated neighboring locals during a dispute, provided the spot beam coverage is enough, the problem though is usually only bordering counties have neighboring significantly viewed stations while the inner part of the market doesn't:
    http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/significantviewedstations112013.pdf
     
  3. inkahauts

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    DIRECTV has never blocked an over the air tuner before that I have ever heard.

    I know there's a few stations that changed channel affiliations and such at the new year, that didn't happen to be this one too did it? If so that could explain it if it was a switch involved for the broadcast freq as well. Bizarre coincidence if it is though.
     
  4. stanb42

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    For clarity, here's what's happening in the Lexington, KY area concerning WLEX.

    Tune to ch 18 on DirecTV. I get a screen directing me to DirectvPromise.com blah blah. The guide for 18 still shows their normal schedule.
    Tune to ch 18-1 DTV-OTA. I get the DirecTV logo, but the guide shows ALERT Important infor about your NBC station, with a more detailed message about how DTV doesn't have permission from Raycom to rebroadcast the station.

    So different behaviors for satellite and OTA receptions concerning this local channel.

    I hooked up a simple loop antenna to the back of my TV and can receive it fine.

    So yes, DTV can/will block OTA channels.
     
  5. Billzebub

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    Check, I'll bet you have 2 channel 18-1. The one you are seeing is put up on the satellite by Directv. They have either renumbered your Chanel or you have 2 channel 18-1.


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  6. stanb42

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    OK. Got it.

    Not sure why DTV would confuse me that way :)

    thx.
     
  7. RDH416

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    I live in Lexington and Directv absolutely has blocked WLEX's OTA channel 18-1 received through AM21, as well as channel 18, which it distributes via satellite. 18-1 was actually blocked a few days prior to the dropping of 18 on January 1st. The Guide still shows programming as usual but clicking on anything there simply takes you to a picture of the Directv logo (on 18-1) or a statement saying "The owner of this channel has removed it from the Directv line-up despite our repeated requests to keep it on..." There is no explanation why they are blocking the OTA signal. There is a sub channel, 18-2, which, as indicated already, has not be blocked.

    All that said, WLEX and it's parent company's desire to get over $3 per month per subscriber strikes me as way over the top, especially for programming and signal that are available to me without charge simply by using an antenna (which, by the way, I already have). In our home, our tv's are rarely ever tuned to either 18 or 18-1. Imagine what the Directv bill would be if every channel got $3+ per month. I appreciate Directv being willing to stand up against such outlandish demands on my behalf.


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  8. RDH416

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    Based on this comment which came in while I was writing my previous comments, I did some checking and can confirm there are indeed two 18-1's and the one marked as "OTA" is not blocked. The one that my tuners defaulted to was the one marked as the "info" one.
    Appreciate that observation and opportunity to verify and clarify.


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  9. Bradman

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    Lexington here...yeah I think I can ride it out with my antenna. Changing input on my TV is just SO hard,LOL.
     
  10. nmetro

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    Based upon my limited experience with the Am21; it displays channels which are only on a database provided by DirecTV. I suspect if you were to hook up your antenna to your TV tuner, if your TV has an HDTV tuner, then scan, you should get the "blocked" channels. In regards to DIsh, and their Hopper USB OTA stick; a disputed OTA channel will show up. We had the local CBS affiliate removed for 12 hours; it was still coming in via the OTA USB stick.


     
  11. slice1900

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    So if you type '18-1' you get the one with the logo, so the only way to tune it is to go to the guide and select the second one? Or does hitting channel up or down from the logo one get you the actual 18-1?

    Dunno why Directv feels the need to drag OTA customers into the dispute. Some people will have acquired an AM21 specifically to be immune to such disputes. It isn't their problem if Directv is in a dispute, so why do they feel they need to inconvenience those customers. What a stupid anti-customer move on their part, with no justification whatsoever!
     
  12. Laxguy

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    It doesn't seem as though they are. They carry one channel 18-1 on satellite for the convenience of those in the area. They can't carry it if the content provider pulls permission. So, the other 18-1, the OTA channel, is not disturbed by the dispute.
     
  13. bnwrx

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    So my AM21N arrived today...set it up...testing now, but it appears all is working just fine. Should be able to record Saturday's NFL nighttime game.... YEA!!..... I am even picking up an additional PBS feed out of Denver. You can't believe what I am using for an antenna.....An old "rabbit ears" thing from the 70s!!!, but getting good numbers on my locals....
     
  14. slice1900

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    No, the satellite channel is "18". You can only get "18-1" if you have an AM21 or H20/HR20. It sounds like they are ADDING this extra 18-1 to screw over the people who view the channel via OTA to direct more anger at the local station. I'll bet there are a lot of people who don't even realize they are/should be getting these channels via their AM21 and assume they are blocked by the dispute when they see that logo message they've put on on the extra 18-1.

    This is really really shady behavior on Directv's part!
     
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  15. Laxguy

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    Rock on!
     
  16. Laxguy

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    Or simply an antenna and modern TV.
    Pretty sure 18-1 cannot be carried by DIRECTV® via AM21 if the provider says it cannot.
    Just don't see dastardly behavior by DIRECTV®.
     
  17. ClayKY

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    Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware TWC was sued for that.


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  18. stanb42

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    To end the day, I did find the "right" 18-1 and added it to my "Normal" channel list and everything's like it was.
     
  19. slice1900

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    It isn't being carried by Directv, it is being received by antenna. Local stations can't prevent Directv equipment enabling reception via antenna any more than they could demand Samsung pay them to allow their TVs to receive their station.
     
  20. tnnolman

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    My uncle lives in NE Shelby county KY and he can pickup 18-1 and 18-2 if he can get off Time Warner Cable(Soon to be Comcast)Because they only get Louisville Stations. Louisville and Lexington are both 40 miles within bagdad,Ky. I guess that Directv cannot carry the channel as an out of market station because of the Louisville DMA. He could get it by antenna but it is about almost 50 years old. i might have to get an outside omnidirectional antenna for him so he can pick both Louisville and Lexington TV Stations.
     

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