D* picture quality compared to streaming

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by wilbur_the_goose, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. b4pjoe

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    I'm not 100% sure who I was making payment to for regular channels, might have been DirecTV, but I had to pay USSB separately for HBO. I do remember that DSS logo somewhere. Might have been on the dish. I don't think my dish had the RCA logo on it. I think that dish may still be up in the attic of my garage. I'll have to see if it is still up there.
     
  2. NashGuy

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    Among major cable TV providers (not including OTT streaming providers), it seems like DirecTV has the best HD PQ, with the possible exceptions of Google Fiber TV and maybe T-Vision (formerly Layer 3 TV), assuming you can refer to either of them as "major providers". I say that based on my own experiences with DirecTV, Dish, Uverse TV and Comcast Xfinity TV, as well as lots and lots of first-hand reports I've read (some including screenshots, reported bitrates, etc.) from various posters on various forums over the years.

    As you say, Verizon FiOS TV may have rivalled DirecTV in PQ several years ago but multiple first-hand reports I've read say that that's no longer true due to a significant decline at FiOS as they've added more channels and used greater compression on their system.

    Last year I had DirecTV Now (currently renamed to AT&T TV Now) and my impression was that it had at least a little better HD PQ (averaged across all live channels) than DirecTV satellite. I've seen others who have used both services post the same thing. However, at least when I had DirecTV Now, the PQ on cloud DVR recordings and VOD content was noticeably inferior to their live channels. (That said, this was in the early days of their cloud DVR closed beta, of which I was a tester.)

    Encoding live linear channels on-the-fly is more demanding than pre-encoding on-demand content and, as a general rule, all of the major on-demand services -- Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu -- offer higher HD (and 4K HDR) PQ than what you'll find on live linear channels from any cable TV provider, regardless of their delivery system.
     
  3. JoeTheDragon

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    Uverse TV should of been better if not for the copper subs.

    Comcast QAM and maybe IPTV is really bad now days.
     
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  4. codespy

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    FWIW- I've always had the premier package, and back in the day, I sent in two checks for both services. One was to DirecTV and the other was USSB. I cannot remember what year that ended, but whenever it was, it started saving trees! :)
     
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  5. wilbur_the_goose

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    I watch mostly sports, and I think D* is compressing ESPN to the point that it looks like SD. This is based on comparing it to the ESPN app and to VZ FiOS.

    For example, the game at Boise State yesterday looked like NFL ST in 1997, but it looked really good on the ESPN app (Either through Roku or AppleTV).
     
  6. compnurd

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    You clearly need a new TV or something is off. FIOS fell off a cliff years ago with the compression now rivaling most cable systems. ESPN has looked fantastic the last few times I have watched it One game doesn’t dictate an overall issue. We have seen this very clearly with the 4K football games looking differently each week
     
  7. Rich

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    Yeah, I don't see any ESPN PQ problems either. I was in a home I was looking at a couple years ago and the guy had FIOS. He told me at that time he could not see any difference between FIOS and the local cable company's PQ. I couldn't compare them then but the PQ I saw on his FIOS setup wasn't as good as I'd expect from D*. Made me give all hopes of switching to FIOS.

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  8. mjwagner

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    With the demise of PSVue approaching I have been testing YTTV. I find the picture quality very good. I’m still getting familiar with it but I think I like the UI a bit better as well although it does have a few quirks (hit the back button one too many times and you exit the app...what?) DVR is very good and at $50 per month it’s actually even a bit cheaper. Looks like a win.
     
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  9. wmb

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    On the Apple TV, hitting the menu button will take you out of every app. I think of it as going up and down the menu hierarchy.

    The thing I don't like about the YTTV UI is that you go into the app in to the home page. I'd rather go straight to the guide. The guide is also a little awkward to navigate and looks a little more boxy than I'm used to. I think the guide only shows the next 24 hours - Anyhow, not the next two weeks like AT&T Now. But, you can move channels around in the guide.

    But, at $50 per month for its channel lineup, its definitely the service to benchmark against.


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  10. Rich

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    Make it simple...better than PS Vue? In all/most aspects? I just went thru yet another D* nightmare and if you say YTTV is better than PSV I will take it for a spin.

    Rich
     
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  11. B. Shoe

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    I've been subscribed to YTTV since mid-August, and I'm pleased with the service, so far. Barring a few rare exceptions, I don't use the DVR function often, as I've got channel app access to most everything you need, and the content is available on-demand. Agree on the quirky means of sometimes exiting the app quickly if you make one tap too many. If you can live without a couple of core channels (depending upon what is important to you), this is as of right now a pretty suitable service, IMO.
     
  12. Rich

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    I definitely would use the DVR function for the sports that are important to me. The one thing that stands out on the D* DVRs is the 30 Second Skip. How long is the skip forward on YTTV? Can that be changed? Can it be configured differently? I don't care about channels or a Guide but my wife would care. IIRC most of the Hallmark channels are available on YTTV? Hallmark and the locals, that's all she would care about. I know the PQ is gonna be good. Now I'm beginning to see more and more reasons to look for a replacement for D*. Just had a refurbed 24 take four days to activate...these people are enough to drive me to drink.

    Rich
     
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    Have one on me.

    Check this out:

    https://ww.9to5google.com/2019/07/01/youtube-tv-progressive-fast-forward/
     
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  15. mjwagner

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    I didn’t play with it a ton yesterday but I did notice that the UI can save many previous watched channels and you can quickly move between them. Also, using the ATV 4k it seemed to let you resume watching from where you left off when switching to another channel and then going back. Didn’t play with it enough to tell how long the buffer was but it did allow FF. For me if they ever added the NFL Network and the RedZone channel it would be just about perfect.
     
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  17. mjwagner

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    So not to derail this thread completely but I did play around with the YTTV UI a bit more and what they are doing is actually pretty cool. When you start watching a live show they just start your access to the cloud DVR recording if that show. Then depending on how you go back to it thru the UI you either go back right to where you left off or you go back to live but either way you have full access to FF and REW including being able to FF past commercials. Not sure what the limit is to how many shows you can add like that but I did 4 without problems. Two live news broadcasts and 2 cable channels. FF and REW was completely smooth with a preview window. Very well done.
     

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