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D* vs E* HD count thread

Discussion in 'General Satellite Discussion' started by Rob Glasser, Oct 30, 2007.

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  1. ScoBuck

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    And since DISH added 1 more, I guess their ad tomorrow will be that they now lead with 200 HD national channels.

    :nono2: :nono2: :nono2:
     
  2. harsh

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    If you read past the first few words of the second sentence, more HD national programming is precisely what DISH is claiming.
    We can take a mathematical shortcut by comparing the HD content offered on the exclusive channels.

    DISH has 15 or so exclusive channels that are full-time HD plus NHL Network.

    DIRECTV has 27 exclusive channels that average considerably less than 50% HD programming (some still offer none IIRC).

    It would appear based on some very rough numbers that DISH offers more.

    Perhaps DIRECTV is counting CMT, MTV, VH1 and Nick East as their 10/15/07 channel lineup PDF suggests. Those channels probably wouldn't help the average even if they were available.


    In the final analysis, both providers added NBA TV HD yesterday and it both cases, you must subscribe to the high-end package to get it once the preview is over.
     
  3. Richard King

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  4. James Long

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    He "changed his mind" Richard. :nono:

    Prepare for moderation ...

    Thread split - NBA TV HD discussion left in E* forum.
     
  5. pardon

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    This is weird, how come the press release from 10/18 says 75 HD channels (when they added NHL HD) and now they have one more channel (NBA HD) but the count still remains at 75 HD channels?
    Where they padding the count before or the NBA HD doesn't count as a national HD channel?

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=105455
     
  6. James Long

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    E* removed another PPV channel to "make room" for NBA TV HD.

    Some of us are still trying to figure out why they don't use the room they have for new channels. :)
     
  7. tonyd79

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    Do I need to debunk this lie that you keep telling again? DirecTV is not counting ANY stations twice no matter how much you claim it.
     
  8. tonyd79

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    Only said because the company you spin for is losing.

    Oh, nice fact checking there on NBA TV.
     
  9. James Long

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    Already noted ...

    BTW - what D* is counting twice is local network channels. They count the four locals in one's LIL HD package (even though many markets don't get LIL HD) as well as counting all eight distant HDs (which even fewer D* subs qualify for).

    And if D* used E*'s counting method (count anything that breathes HD) start at 80. E* isn't counting the NHL HD / NBA HD feeds ... do what you want with NFL HD. :)
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    I have to say that while I find Scobuck to be annoying at times stirring the pot in the Dish forums every once in a while... I can't stick up for Dish on this one.

    I am disappointed to see the creative counting at work here. I have Dish, and am a very happy Dish customer. But I cannot get to their HD channel count without some very creative math.

    Truthfully, DirecTV fudges things too... but if both companies counted honestly, I don't think Dish can make the grand claim of having the most HD anymore.

    Forget arguing over which is your or my favorite channel or whether Voom counts or not... I wish more HD channels existed, and I wish all of them had 24/7 HD... but for as much as DirecTV's nebulous claims early in the year about "up to" however many channels... Dish is going over to the dark side now too with these suddenly crazy (yes I said crazy) channel counting methods.

    PPVHD should really only count once, in my opinion. We could argue whether 20 PPV are better than 5 if we want... but I don't want to count 20 PPVHD channels the same as 20 other HD channels.

    Some RSNs have 24/7 content, even if not 24/7 HD... other RSNs only have game-time content. I would personally like to see RSNHD only counted once even if many customers get more than one in their area... and an asterisk acknowledgement listing of all the RSNs can be shown and discussion of a multisport pack as well.

    I wouldn't count NBA, MLB, NFL, or NHL "League pass" deals as channels either. I would count NBATV, NHLTV, NFLTV, and when MLBTV launches I'd count that too. Then an acknowledgement can be shown for Sunday Ticket/MLB on DirecTV to note that customers can add additional coverage for HD games... and both Dish and DirecTV have NBA/NHL packages.

    After all that... Voom counts, History counts, even TBS counts... we can have other discussions about which is your favorite channel or if Voom has 24/7 HD where TBS has 0/0 HD!

    But I am disappointed to see Dish digging further into the strange counting method.
     
  11. braven

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    A lot of Kool Aid drinking going on if you ask me. (from both sides) :rolleyes:
     
  12. James Long

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    My intent was not to defend E* on their counting methods but to defend the members of DBSTalk who have E* service and are quite capable of being annoyed at E* without any 'outside' prompting.

    You can be ticked at E* for claiming 75 channels as well as ticked at ScoBuck or any other user that decides to rub it in. These things are not mutually exclusive ... they are two different issues!

    Padding counts is part of the business. D* added audio channels to their announced channel counts in 1998 (or so) and E* followed suit. E* offers a "500" channel capacity dish ... but they don't claim any combination packages is 500 channels. (E* is actually underestimating counts on the SD side including audio channels.)

    The ship has sailed on getting either provider to promote a lower number that would be more accurate.
     
  13. msmith198025

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    Of course it is. thats the thread title. What did you think would be found here??:p

    edit: i see that it had been moved. oops
     
  14. James Long

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    A little out of date.
    I'll keep track, if you like. :D
     
  15. Richard King

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    So, who's going to step up to the plate and do the count on the total HD minutes per normal 24 hour period on each service? Afterall, this is the only way to determine the TRUE HD leader. ;)
     
  16. msmith198025

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    haha havent had time to do a more recent count. im thinking about even taking it off since for all intents and purposes there isnt a point anymore;)
     
  17. tsmacro

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    Hmmmm....well lets see from doing my own research on this it seems to me that DirecTv actually has the higher "channel count" but of course that includes a lot of channels at this point who's actual real HD content is marginal at best. Thanks to Voom which are all HD pretty much 24/7 I think Dish actually has more hours of actual HD programming shown on any given day. Now of course that's Voom which has it's own it's own issues according to many on this forum but i'm not going to rehash that now. So it seems to D* is currently the leader in channels and E* is the leader actual amount of HD programming shown. So that makes which one of them the "HD leader"? Well luckily it leaves plenty of "grey area" for this same argument to go 'round and 'round forever it would seem!! :sure: :lol: :nono2:
     
  18. James Long

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    Unfortunately NEITHER release a subscriber figure ... so that point cannot be pursued. :)
     
  19. Richard King

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    Of course, in doing the HD minutes count you have to be very careful to watch all the commercials and eliminate the minutes that they occupy if they are not in HD. :D
     
  20. tomcrown1

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    In my hubble opinion neither is the leader in HD. The true leader is over the air HD as that right now gives the best HD picture quality---unless you have fiber optic cable and get the true feed from HDNET HDTHEATER HDMOVIE which is the only way to get the full glory of HD.

    Now to start the blue ray Hd fight on (opps wrong thread)

    TO ME THE ONLY THING THAT COUNTS IS THE PICTURE QUALITY OF HD!!!!

    I wish more folks cared about the picture that is being sent rather than the number of HD channels.
     
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