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D* vs. E*

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by js0873, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. JeffBowser

    JeffBowser blah blah blah

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    In real life, your eyesight, screen size, and distance from screen very much influences things. You have a fixed image size of 1920x1080. It's going to look vastly different between a 32" LCD and a 83" DLP. And of course how close you are sitting will affect how well you can see it. Hell, my wife can't tell the difference between 480 and 1080, but my 10 year old son will immediately complain to me if walks in and sees a 480 source on (my how times change)

    Key here is I am talking about real life viewing situations, in everyday terms, I'm not factoring out anything to reduce it to a bunch of techno-babble the average Joe sitting in his easy chair won't care about.

     
  2. JeffBowser

    JeffBowser blah blah blah

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    Someone up here has done this - I'm waiting for them to speak up.

     
  3. harsh

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    While I've seen such numbers for DIRECTV, I can't recall that I've ever seen anyone run the numbers for DISH Network. The problem is that in both cases, you need to be able to break down the stream data. External instrumented measurements can only tell us what the receiver has rendered for your TV.
     
  4. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    This actually might be something you could do as a Dish sub.
    I believe the info comes by reading the file coming off the drive.
     
  5. js0873

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    I’m the Dish subscriber who originally started this thread. I’m still on Dish, absorbing $17 fees for every dual DVR I have, and I have 5 of them, so I’m still interested in potentially moving to Direct. Since it’s been another couple of months I wanted to see if anything is any different on potential concerns I had on moving from Dish 722 receiver technology to whatever the latest equivalent is of Direct:

    (1) Several folks complained about the sluggishness of the receivers in general vs. Dish’s receivers. Has a software update in the last 2 months improved this? Has Direct come out with newer, better technology receivers?

    (2) On the 722 I use the swap button a lot, especially during sporting events. For example, I pause the action on what I’m watching, then press my Swap button to swap to the other tuner and watch another sporting event channel, then pause it, then go back to the first one and “unpause” and watch some of it, and swap back and forth that way. Has that capability ever been added to Direct?

    (3) I use the Browse button on Dish, which gives me one line at the bottom showing me what’s showing on the current channel and what’s coming up on it. I believe the equivalent on Direct is the Blue button. On Dish I can then press a left or right button to see the same one-liner piece of information on the next channel (up or down) in my guide. Does that next channel one-line piece of information exist? Basically, is there an ability to scan channel information with the Blue button?

    (4) I realize that with Dish and my external hard disks I can double the programmed recording space and also save recordings for a receiver failure. At last check I could neither add to my recording space (either the EHD or the internal disk was used) nor keep any recordings on a receiver replacement. I’m assuming nothing’s changed there, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
     
  6. Mike Greer

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    1 - Same slow receivers. The HR24 is arriving 'soon' and is said to be much faster.

    2 - Sort of - others that use this feature are better able to anser that.

    3 - Yes - but much slower than the Dish Receivers (maybe better on the upcoming HR24.

    4 - Yep - receiver fails you have lost everything on DirecTV. If you add an external drive the internal drive is disabled. Nothing new here.
     
  7. alv

    alv Godfather

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    I found the sluggishness starts when my external 1TB drive gets about 60% full.
     
  8. Prince Oz

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    Switch to D*. I to was with E* and paid to get out of my contract to go back to D*. CS is terrible with E* and with the 12 years overall with D*, I have never had a CS issue. They have always treated me great. The reason I tried E* was to just see what they had and offered. My response to slow response on the HR's is, what is another second. It does not bother us. Not in a hurry. Overal, I found the HR23 to be overall better than the 722. The guide and information they supply for movies when you hit info is great. I can not answer about losing recordings. Have never had that happen.
     
  9. mdavej

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    On my HR23 I get instantaneous response for menus, playback controls and channel up/down. It takes a couple of seconds to bring up the guide or recording list. Manually entering channel numbers is sluggish. It's certainly something I could live with if I were saving a lot of money. But I don't know if E* can do these things or not, but I think D* DVRs offer a lot of unique extras like MRV (full HD in more than 2 rooms), remote scheduling, PC playback, big on-demand library delivered via internet, frequent software updates via the cutting edge program, and simultaneous component/HDMI outputs.

    I'm pretty happy with D* DVRs, but I'm unhappy they've fallen so far behind on HD content. Hopefully they'll catch up soon.
     
  10. lparsons21

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    I switched from D* to E* some time back and am happy with E*, especially the 722k HDDVR w/2 OTA tuners. With it I can and do record 4 events at a time, 2 SAT and 2 OTA.

    Just for that alone, I would need 2 HR2x HDDVR from D* to my main set to be able to do the same thing. One D* advantage with a 2 HR setup to one TV would be that all my locals in HD are on D* and not on E*.

    My reason to switch was primarily driven by the pathetically sluggish HR2x response to the remote.

    I don't know if that impacts you at all.
     
  11. GregLee

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    Yes. It's called "double play" and is activated with the down arrow.
     
  12. Mike Bertelson

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    The HR24 is now available. I don’t know if they are doing new installs with them in you neck of the woods yet but if you can get them, it’s the way to go. You won’t be disappointed.

    Do you really mean to say you pay $85 just for the hardware costs ($17x5)? :eek2:

    DirecTV DVRs use DoublePlay. It’s their name for dual live buffers. However, it has to be activated by pressing the down arrow. It will stay enabled until two hours after the receiver is no longer active (basically no button presses).

    Not what you’re used to but functional none the less.

    The blue button gets the one line guide and the up/down arrow will move the guide channel up or down. The left/right arrow will move you forward or backward in time on that channel (not before the current time though).

    As of right now, only one drive will be active. Either the internal or external but not both as a single volume; nor can you move the drive to another DVR to watch the recordings. It’s tied to the receiver ID and not the account ID.

    Mike
     
  13. RasputinAXP

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    Actually it's $68 if he's got 5 722's. The first is free.
     
  14. Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Well then, that's ok...no it's not. That's just insane. That's more then my Total Choice Plus package.

    What the heck does it cost to 5 DVRs, something akin to Choice Extra, HBO/Showtime/Starz/Encore with Dish?

    Good God, I can understand why the OP is looking to switch. :eek2:

    Even if the OP has to pay for a couple of HR24s from Solidsignal, he'd still make out over the commitment period.

    Mike
     
  15. RAD

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    Just to expand on that a bit, with DirecTV's MultiRoom Viewing feature you can view recordings between HD DVR's and even view them on HD receivers. So if you have multiple HD DVR's you can spread the recordings among your DVR's to help increase the pool of space you have available for recordings. This doesn't help with the issue of a DVR failing and losing your recordings but it might help with your space question.
     
  16. camo

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    I just came from Dish and had the 722, I switched over in mid April primarily I was tired of the part time RSN feeds and 17 dollar fee for a second 722.

    Direct dvr's have many more features and I don't find any difference in channel changing speeds with the HR20 going through a Onkyo AV receiver. I here the HR20 is slightly faster than the 21,22,23 models but the HR24 is faster than the 20.

    First thing I would do is turn off native resolution and change your receiver to 1080i or p if your tv supports it. This speeds up channel changing a lot. The direct receivers actually upscale the signal and this is a plus.
    I really like the features of Direct receivers like media share, being able to stream computer music and video to your TV and take advantage of my home theater speakers. MRV is another cool feature I have set up over my home network. Doubleplay is also awesome for watching two different games at the same time. You can go back and forth without missing anything but the commercials.
    Also as far as the hard drive goes you can still use the internal hard drive on the receiver even with a external esata. You just unplug the external and it will start using the internal drive. Remember the drives are married so you can loose it all if receiver goes bad. I hear you can back up with hauppauge to your pc.

    I say go with directtv and you won't be disappointed.
     
  17. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    Camo, glad you're happy with your switch. You might want to check out www.playon.tv, which allows streaming via your PC to your HD DVR or HD receiver (if they're networked) from some sites like CBS, Hulu, NetFlix and many others in the base program and then additional plug in's. There's a free tiral period so you can give it a shot and see if you like it.
     
  18. camo

    camo Godfather

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    Thanks for the tip. I'm trying out free version of Tversity right now and it encodes my videos from computer on the fly so they will play on the TV. Works real slick.
     
  19. RasputinAXP

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    One Dish dual tuner DVR services two TVs, one HD and one SD. Receivers after the first are on a sliding scale from $7 to $17 depending on capabilities; the dual tuner DVRs are 17. My 211k single tuner single HDTV receiver is $7. I turned it into a DVR with an external hard drive and paid a one time $40 fee.

    But then again even with two kids I don't know why the heck someone would have 5 dual output DVRs in one house. That's enough for 10 televisions without factoring in using the multiple hot outputs for other HDTVs like many of us do. He could save $7 on each by swapping the 722s for 612s.
     
  20. evan_s

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but the single out 612s are a fairly recent receiver and that prior to them you needed a dual output dvr for each tv you wanted to have a HD-DVR. So maybe he got the 722's before the 612's were avialable to get.
     

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