My timers all disappear after the daily update runs at 2 am. If I just go to the guide and hit the right arrow the guide updates (up to 5 minutes) and then all of my timers reappear as if they were never gone. It is frustrating when you go on a three day trip and come home and nothing has recorded. I just got home from a trip and was planning on going to manual not auto timer updates will that solve the problem. I also have the old LNBs and am having problems but I will go to that question.