DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: AM21N Off-Air ATSC Adapter

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  1. May 30, 2011 #61 of 250
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    Irrelevant from a customer standpoint.
     
  2. May 30, 2011 #62 of 250
    raott

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    The first looks is fine, but as I've said in the past, a "first look" should be more of a review would encompass both plusses and minuses which would be much, much more helpful to the average consumer.

    D* has alot to offer an hopefully, at some point, this site's first looks will become actual reviews rather than marketing pieces.

    Surely the fact the new OTA tuner still cannot offer scan capability (unlike virtually every other OTA scanner) would be be highlighted as a negative rather than have to link to another review.
     
  3. May 30, 2011 #63 of 250
    MoInSTL

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    After the recent tornadoes in my area, I rely on the AM21 & rooftop antenna when there is heavy cloud cover/rain fade for local network weather coverage. That's all I really use it for, but it's an important use.
     
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    Laxguy

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    Sorry not to be clearer: I am aware that there are major differences in markets, also appreciating that you have stated your location— but my question was parochial: What do those of us living in or familiar with the SF Bay Area TV situation have to say about the need for OTA? I am not sure there's any, but before I ditch OTA if, when and as my HR20-700 dies, I'd like some other viewpoints.
     
  5. May 30, 2011 #65 of 250
    Alan Gordon

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    Not really...

    DirecTV could always change their mind, and code our receivers... thereby giving that capability to everyone. A hardware limitation would require everyone wanting that capability to go out and buy a new device (should one come out with that feature).

    ~Alan
     
  6. May 30, 2011 #66 of 250
    Alan Gordon

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    There is no change (for all intents and purposes) between the AM21 and the AM21N. If you've read the First Look for the AM21, you've read the First Look for the AM21.

    ~Alan
     
  7. May 30, 2011 #67 of 250
    Alan Gordon

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    AAH! I gotcha... my bad.... :)

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  8. May 30, 2011 #68 of 250
    Doug Brott

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    Having not had OTA for the entire life cycle of my HR2x ownership .. I an unequivocally state that I do not miss/need OTA at all in the SF Bay Area. In fact, the MPEG4 version of HD from the Sat is going to be smaller in size than the MPEG2 version OTA and may even look better (I can't direct compare them). So, I think it's probably a no brainer to ditch OTA in the SF Bay Area. (but that's just me)
     
  9. May 30, 2011 #69 of 250
    CCarncross

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    Doug, the MPEG4 can never really look better than the MPEG2 OTA version, unless perhaps D* is given a fiber feed of much higher bandwidth than what they send out over the airwaves, and that is probably a very slim possibility. In theory, the best PQ you can get from a local station at your house is the OTA version.
     
  10. May 30, 2011 #70 of 250
    NR4P

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    I suspect that the AM21N with the new innerds (southern tech term LOL), was driven more by the original AM21 tuner circuitry was no longer available. So Directv had to do redesign of some sort. And the size being kept the same is a decision to avoid tooling up new front and back covers with indicators, connectors etc.
    And a flat paint is much more cost effective since it doesn't show the defects and fallout in production.

    I do understand that in many areas, you probably don't get alot of dropouts due to tropical rain storms. Here in S. Florida (and Central Fla) from June 1 to Oct. 30 it could be a daily occurence. Today we had 3 gator gushers as they are fondly called, each lasting 3-6 minutes, so the season is starting.

    I bring that up because if we use MPEG4 99s locals to record afternoon and evening network programming, we lose alot of recordings due to 771 pop ups during the show. And of course we can't watch them. (My 99 sig strengths are in the 90s). So OTA is how my family watches local TV and records them. Its 100% reliable vs MPEG4.

    Over the past 3 years I referred two friends to Direct TV. One is now with uVerse and the other is waiting 6 mos until his contract is up to do the same. Both cited the same reason, rain storm dropouts. So needless to say, I don't refer alot of friends locally to Directv unless they want my help with an OTA antenna.

    Just sharing my thoughts on why the AM21N might be exaclty the same size and why some of us folks need it.
     
  11. May 30, 2011 #71 of 250
    RunnerFL

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    You can setup more than one market, as long as you can bring them in, with an AM21 or AM21N, you just supply 2 zip codes.
     
  12. May 30, 2011 #72 of 250
    CoramDeo

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    I can enter two zip codes, but I want to enter three (Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette).
     
  13. May 30, 2011 #73 of 250
    RAD

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    Try to find a zip code that covers two of those DMA's then enter the second zip to the 3rd zip.
     
  14. May 30, 2011 #74 of 250
    BakeBarry

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    As a member of the very very very TINY group...It makes NO sense to me.
     
  15. May 30, 2011 #75 of 250
    Davenlr

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    If you have two Directv boxes, you could always add a second AM21 and plug in two additional zip codes, and just split the antenna between the two AM21's.
     
  16. May 31, 2011 #76 of 250
    Laxguy

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    I've been hard-pressed to see a difference between the two. However, my testing has not been side by side of identical monitors, but watching the same segments of one program on one feed right after watching it on the other feed.

    I agree with the theory, but on a 58" Samsung plasma, with a somewhat discerning eye, differences are tiny to me.
     
  17. May 31, 2011 #77 of 250
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    I am a member of this group as well, and it actually makes perfect sense. It makes absolutely zero business sense for D*(SAT provider), to waste a lot(or any) of time and resources on OTA for the very small group of subscribers who use it.
     
  18. May 31, 2011 #78 of 250
    NewForceFiveFan

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    So what exactly is the benefit to getting one of these? The only reason I can think of is the benefit of seeing subchannels like THIS and RTV in the guide and recording them?
     
  19. May 31, 2011 #79 of 250
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    See Alan's post here for a good quick summation of the benefits of the AM21/N.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2790323#post2790323
     
  20. May 31, 2011 #80 of 250
    VARTV

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    +1 Could see subtle differences between the AM21 and AM21N...
     

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