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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: The Wireless Genie Client C41W-100 & Wireless Video Bridge

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Scott Kocourek, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. elmoglick

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    I saw the option for the "New" Wireless Genie this afternoon, so I bit and called the 800 number. They took my order without any problem. Cost was $100 plus $49 for installation. I tried to get them to allow me to self-install, but they insisted it required professional installation for proper "pairing". They were willing to credit me $25 since I had to pay an additional $100 to preclude the 2yr contract extension I didn't want.

    Installer is scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, so I will report back on how it went and how it works. I have an HR34 and live in the Kansas City metro area.
     
  2. HoTat2

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    OK;

    Sure hope its not an error and the installer shows up with just a standard C41 or something as its awfully early in the process

    Keep us posted though. :)
     
  3. dboreham

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    They wouldn't need a router, working or not since routers are not needed for a layer2 network like Ethernet. However, you're probably talking about the typical residential situation where a combined router/switch is the only piece of wired networking gear on-site. In that case, that device would indeed need to be working or at least powered up.

    I can understand the horror at trying to deal with Joe Schmo's flaky Ethernet during an install, however I really want these products to support wired Ethernet even if the installer walks away leaving the gear in a pile on my floor. I'm competent to run my network properly. I have clean GigE everywhere. I do not like coax nor do I want to install another foot of the stuff at my place. All the new TVs I've deployed in the past few years in the home have Cat5 cabling only. They work nicely for Netflix and until one of the sat providers makes the product I want, that's all they'll be used for.

    That product is : a black box that sits in a closet. It has a coax connector on one side, to connect to the outdoor unit, and an RJ-45 for Ethernet on the other side. Its clients are the same set of devices that I can already use with Netflix, Amazon, Hulu (BD players, Smart TV, Tablet, PC, Phone). There would be no sat-provider-supplied kit in my home, save for this black box in the closet.
     
  4. HoTat2

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    OK;

    But remember, if it turns out there's not a way to actually activate the ethernet port on the WVB, then as Lugnutathome suggested earlier you're going to have to setup a sort of mini coax network with one of the receivers, using a diplexer and CCK so the WVB can be placed in one of the coax lines within this little network somewhere.
     
  5. Ed Campbell

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    The basic WET610N works fine - though not reliably across 50' of air and a few intervening walls. When whole-home betas were being experimented with I talked a CSR into authorizing my system and I tried to feed from the living room DVR - either an HR24 back then or my first HR 34.

    I have a WET610N attached via ethernet to the DVR in the living room and one to the older model in the guesthouse. Each responds to a different wifi network. Use them for internet access for the DirecTV DVRs.

    Anyway, there wasn't sufficient throughput for whole home - sending from the LR DVR via WET610N to the same combination in the guesthouse. Worked erratically - and unreliably. Other than that, they have been rock solid.

    I get the impression from the first quick read here that D* is using different software from stock? Hmmm. The unit is selling tonight at Amazon for $48.80 to Amazon Prime customers.
     
  6. Datagg

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    This may be the answer to and the right time to finaly get the wife that extra tv setup she wants.
     
  7. inkahauts

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    When you update just go supported, they will install it all at the same time. Not sure why your using 8 port splitters by the way if your using all DVRs now. They have more loss, I'd drop those to at most a four port splitter. The smaller the splitter the better.
     
  8. inkahauts

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    Its most defenitly not stock software.
     
  9. inkahauts

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    Well then you don't want a c41w if you have wires run everywhere already.

    It does amaze me how much some people hate coax. Never understood that. It serves a purpose for many things. And this one particular thing it does very well for DIRECTV.

    I love our idea of everything in a house being able to be run on one system, but lets be honest, that will NEVER happen. It never has before and it never will int he future,someone always has an idea they think is better than someone else's.

    This particular solution, in all honesty, what DIRECTV has done in setting up this wireless unit is smart. Its a separate network that is dedicated to and only going to be accessed by the wireless clients, and because of the way the software is done, I'd never let it on my regular network. Dedicated and isolated is much better for wireless video int he first palm.

    Plus, this thing can be hooked up inline anywhere in the existing coax lines hooking up any of your other hard wired directv receivers. So unless you don't already have a spot somewhere convient location wise for wifi range for where you want to put your wireless client, you aren't even adding cable.

    What directv hardware do you have now?
     
  10. Vinny

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    As usual another professional job by our great team of CE'ers. Thanks, Scott, for bringing the team together for a very informative and well presented "First Look".
     
  11. wco81

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    What is the pricing and service fees going to be?

    Unless there's a price advantage, people would opt for the DVRs as clients to the Genie, if they can get the DVRs without paying upfront fees?
     
  12. HoTat2

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    However, even without a price advantage there are no wireless DVRs, which is the chief selling point of this system over the traditional approach of purchasing additional cable connected DVRs.
     
  13. wco81

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    Right, but we've been hearing that folks are getting SWM installs anyways, so that they're wired for Whole Home.

    Tivo, Comcast, etc. are all moving to the Whole Home thing. I can see that D* will be able to advertise wireless whole home but unless there's a substantial price difference (given that people are getting DVRs for no upfront cost), why wouldn't you go for a DVR with more series recordings and more storage?
     
  14. elmoglick

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    You were right. (sigh) It's not yet available in this market. He's installing the standard C41 now.
     
  15. tpm1999

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    Even if the C41W was widely released now, there is now way front line CSRs wouldnt mess it up. Even when it's been out for a year, I bet CSRs will still make the mistake between wireless and non-wireless.
     
  16. wco81

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    How much are the wired clients?

    Less upfront and less monthly charges?
     
  17. elmoglick

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    I'll be calling to see if the C41 is any cheaper. I believe the $6 MRC is the same though.
     
  18. inkahauts

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    Is actually bet that the majority or people would prefer a genie and mini genie over DVrs as clients.

    I also would not be surprised if at some point they don't start charging a lot more for second DVrs.
     
  19. heisman6183

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    Question about setup. I currently have MRV in unsupported mode with 2 regular DVRs. If I switched to a system with an HR44 and 3 C41Ws, would I still be able to just connect an ethernet cable to the HR44 and get on demand plus MRV or would I need to install a deca somewhere in my setup?
     
  20. HoTat2

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    It depends;

    If you plan to keep an all ethernet setup ("unsupported mode") , the complicating factor is if there is no way to activate the ethernet port on the WVB. In that case as was stated earlier in this thread to another poster with an all ethernet install, you will have to create a sort of mini DECA coax network with the HR44 to hook the WVB in its coax through-line configuration.

    And you will need a diplexer and CCK.

    If you convert your DIRECTV network to coax DECA ("supported mode") then you may simply hook an ethernet cable to the HR44 and router or other switch on your home network leading to the router.
     

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