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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 16, 2007.
bbc's are not used in SWM applications.. so they need to be removable..
Originally Posted by highheater
5. Provide a compressed sat local channel that is inferior to the OTA signal.
I think you need glasses or perhaps a better tv. You have a DLP tv which is a joke for clarity of any kind. So I can see how you can't tell the difference. I had a 60" Sony DLP tv for a hot 15 minutes, because the picture was TERRIBLE. I took it back and spent the extra money for a plasma. Go to CC or BB and compare the picture quality of any DLP tv versus a plasma and tell me you can really comment on picture quality. I have 20/20 vision and I can see the difference between the OTA and HD locals on sat. Any signal that is compressed and uncompressed loses resolution, unless a lossless codec is used. I currently have 25 OTA local stations, and I'm willing to bet money that D* will NEVER have them all.
It's all about freedom of choice. When D* makes a receiver that doesn't have OTA tuners and doesn't carry all the FREE local channels I now receive, that is called censorship and /or restricting my choices, only to save money. I really feel sorry for all the people who can't receive OTA signals, because you don't know what you are missing. I have 5 PBS channels, and 20 other OTA channels here.
You just shot any type of credibility you may have had with that argument. You have obviously never seen a good, well-calibrated DLP display. But hey, thanks for playing our game. We have some fabulous parting gifts for you.
In the meantime, enjoy your OTA - no one ever, anywhere, in any fashion whatsoever, said you couldn't.
Why is it "censorship"...
You are still well within your rights to obtain an ATSC tuner, and access them.
Just because DirecTV doesn't give you the ability on their technology (DVR) to record that OTA signal... they are doing nothing to "censor" you...
I will have to give you credit though... out of all the "theories" and reasons on why it is not good to have OTA... this censorship one... is the "top dog" (and not in a good way)
Uh .. you're kidding, right? Censorship? Last I checked, DIRECTV was still shipping out HR20s which have an OTA tuner. Secondly there are different services out there besides DIRECTV .. I don't see DIRECTV lobbying anyone to make it so you can't use those services .. Am I missing something? And last, but not least, connect the antenna to your TV directly .. use that ATSC tuner. It is true that you would have to be sitting there watching live TV, but I don't think DIRECTV is sitting in your house preventing you from watching the OTA channels.
Censorship .. uh No! try again.
BB and CC are horrible places to compare picture quality, IMO. Most are horribly calibrated, have the brightness turned up way too high, and may not even feature an HD feed (though this is improving).
And if your whole arguement is that you want and/or need OTA, then keep your HR20. It's not like the HR21 is an upgrade from it anyway. You still have the top of the line D* HD DVR. Other than the physical appearance of the box and lack of OTA, I can see no real difference between mine.
I don't get it.
It's a review of a new product. Why are people complaining about things it doesn't have (OTA)?
So what. If you need OTA, don't use it. Use the HR20.
When I read a review of a motorcycle, I don't write back complaining that it doesn't have enough rear leg room. That's ridiculous. If I need seating for 4, I get a car. I still appreciate the motorcycle review and what it offers to people who want it.
D* hasn't stated you can't get the HR20. If they ever do, I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to stock up on HR20's. Heck, with the number currently available and the number of people that have them and don't use OTA, I'm sure they'll be available long after D* stops providing them (assuming they ever do).
I prefer the black color, but I didn't start bitching when I received my HR20 and it was silver. I knew it would be silver before I got it (from reading the review).
Lighten up people.
I never lost signal on Sunday. Only lost signal once during the 60 day rain period earlier this summer and that was for less than 10 minutes.
Why is it that the only people defending this "new enhanced" HR21 are the same ones that received a free one from D*? Isn't this a "conflict of interest"? Or biased opinions to say the least?:nono2:
This is the HR21 first look thread .. what do you expect? What's wrong with the HR20 that you have? How is that different than the HR21 that you don't have yet are so vehemently opposed to?
Maybe because we are the only one that hands on knowledge on how well it actually works?
And how "not" of a major deal, the lack of OTA is on it?
Still wouldn't matter on your completely off the wall "censorship" theory.
I would be against that theory, regardless if this was a DirecTV product, EchoStar, Cable-Co, FIOS, or what ever...
Not defending it. just answering questions.. And yes I am an OTA supporter (no NBC,ABC or PBS via sat here).. but I can see where this would be a nice reciever for those locations where OTA isn't needed..
For what? To pay the same $299.00 for a receiver with less functionality?
Well, in my case maybe it's because I've actually used one.
But let's set something straight, a very important point: I've had an HDTV since 2002. I've had DirecTV since 1997. I've NEVER ONCE had a Directv receiver that could do OTA until the HR20 almost exactly 1 year ago today. I have NEVER ONCE had an OTA antenna connected to it. I lived through the HR20's teething problems, even before OTA was active, and I never missed it. And despite the vocal protestations to the contrary here, I'm fairly sure I'm in the majority.
Actualy Earl no the bbc's will not be intagrated, the SWM has them built in and maybe Zinwell is working on a wideband Multiswitch with them incorparated but it looks like they are going to a swm that will run functions of both cables in one line and getting away from conventional multi-switches that was from corporate in a email sent out in Augest.
I don't see anyone defending a "new enhanced" receiver...I don't even see them defending a new receiver designed to serve the majority of DirecTV's customers. What I see is a few people trying to tear down a receiver because it doesn't appeal to them using completely unfounded and illogical reasoning. I don't have an HR-21 but if I need to add another receiver it would fill that need for me...for a few others it won't.
BTW nice job on the first look guys.
What he and I said was that it is stupid and a waste to "replace" the internal drive, when it would be alot better to be able to add a drive and at the same time add drive space instead of replacing it. Why are you always so defensive Earl? Always defending anything D* related. I don't think I have ever read a post by you that says anything bad about D*.
If you really "think like an engineer" then you would realize that alot of the postings you reply to defending D*, are legitimate questions/concerns/complaints.
So your argument is you don't want or need OTA, therefore it shouldn't be an issue for those of us who do?
I don't have an HR21. I guess I'm defending it, but I don't really see what there is to defend. From the review it seems like it does everything it was designed to do.
299? I've had 5 DVR's of one kind of another from D* over the last 7 years and the most I've ever paid for one was $50 (including the HR20 I received last month for free).
Did you really expect D* to keep manufacturing a unit with OTA capabilities (at a higher production cost), when the vast majority of users never use that feature?
Do yourself a favor, don't ever go into business for yourself. You're COS and Profit Margins will kill you.
What if they would have had the HR21 first? You would have bitched for years about not having OTA capabilities. Then they would come out with the HR20 and you'd be jumping for joy. You'd love the fact that they had 2 versions.
What's the difference????? They still have 2 versions.
Umm.... huh? Where did I say anthing about the BBC's and the tuners?
I know all about the SWM and that the tuners in all the "next" DVR products will be SWM ready... but they will also work with traditional multiswitches (with the BBC's)